Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics

[Ian Livingston]

I wonder if that depends upon who's dead.


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> The dead don't care who's looking.
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> It may depend upon who's looking.
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>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Truth may eventually emerge supreme, but we'll all be dead by then!
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>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. And he may have been right. At least it's safe to say that modern
>>>> governments all seek to suppress / censor voices, lest the views expressed
>>>> prove toxic to the rulers.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Michael Bailey <
>>>> michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But the gist of Mill (grist of mill?) on censorship was basically let
>>>>> all viewpoints be heard including wrong ones and truth will emerge supreme
>>>>> (truth in everlast shorts holding up a boxing gloved hand, "the winner, and
>>>>> new champeen")
>>>>>  On Dec 18, 2012 11:54 AM, "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not too easily since the liers never/seldom admit wrong.  As this guy
>>>>>> reminds using Mill, his vision of public dialogue
>>>>>> was that self-correcting kind you speak of. Gone in many fora.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   *From:* Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *To:* P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:24 AM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of
>>>>>> American politics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's funny, though...lies are deliberately false information but
>>>>>> there is also incomplete information, wrong theories, and wrong assumptions
>>>>>> in any discussion so a robust discussion needs to correct for these things
>>>>>> to be any good, and the presence of a few or many lies can also be adjusted
>>>>>> for, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  and society via Mill and Freud and Arendt. Summary: Mill's public
>>>>>> space of
>>>>>> discussion to go back-and-forth now virutally gone since lies played
>>>>>> no role in his
>>>>>> argument. A lie-based group creates deep problems for aim-inhibited
>>>>>> neurotics--
>>>>>> the major other Group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Freudian metaphors remind me of the N.O.Brown, early Pynchon strain
>>>>>> of seeing History.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And newly-defined 'socialism' from the Left.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://nplusonemag.com/politicopsychopathology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - where the bee sucks, there suck I
>>>>>>
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