Back to AtD...p960

Wed Dec 26 16:00:20 CST 2012

P. 962 give me my clues for Pynchon playing with---subverting?---the Orpheus
myth: Cyprian says "I'll see to all the remembering"....like Mnemosyne, Memory,
A Muse of Storytellers: 

MNEMOSYNE was Titan goddess of memory and remembrance and the inventress of language and words.
As a Titan daughter of Ouranos (Heaven), Mnemosyne was also a goddess of time. She represented the rote memorisation required, before the introduction of writing, to preserve the stories of history and sagas of myth...

Yashmeen cries: "Please---don't look back"......as in the Orpheus--Eurydice myth. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus.........

Then there is a joke about Yashmeen being "taken below---Down to America". Hades.

Maybe this is somehow a more-than-the-artist myth reworking, a metaphor for where Truth is
for the Storyteller certainly not in America [side Joke] but also back before words/language were invented,
back at the beginning of time when oral cultures lived in mythic time.....

 Remember, TRP used this myth in Gravity's
Rainbow too...[so known wikipedia cites it as a place where the legend appears in literature] 

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From: Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de>
To: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>; pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org> 
Cc: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: Back to AtD...p960

On 25.12.2012 23:33, Ian Livingston wrote:

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>I'm not so sure about P's singling out for dissing the contemplatives, though. It seems to me he is equally ready to dis those too eager to act without considering the repercussions of their actions. Benny and the Crew, Slothrop, Lake, maybe even Zoyd and Mucho might be examples of characters inclined to action and reaction as opposed to the over-contemplative (Mason? Roger M?), though, in the end, I am inclined to see all as aspects of the human psyche. You got your poles and then there's all that's in between.
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Makes me think of a verse from the Bhagavad Gita (IV.18):

"One who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction, is intelligent among men, and he is in the transcendental position, although engaged in all sorts of activities."

Doubtful whether Father Ponko's comparison of the Hesychasts with "Japanese Buddhists (...) literally gazing at their navels" can be attributed to Pynchon himself, but it reminds me of my philosophy teacher from high school. As the left Hegelian (Linkshegelianer) he was, he always became kinda furious when people asked about Eastern religion: "The Buddhist is an egoist sitting in his cabin all day long and the only thing he ever does is to meditate!" Those were the days before political correctness. 

Goethe's Faust (vgl. 1215-1237) seems to be relevant here too: Faust, in need of supernatural inspiration, is translating John 1.1. ("In the beginning was the Word ...") and, doubting the superiority of language ("Ich kann das Wort so hoch unmöglich schätzen"), replaces "word" by "deed".  In the beginning was the Deed ... This of course is echoing J.G. Fichte and foreshadowing thesis 11.

When it comes to characterize Pynchon's personages, it's imo important not to stay with action-oriented on the one and over-contemplative on the other side but to introduce a third aspect that refers to being manipulated by others ("Them"). Isn't Slothrop always already trapped by conspiracy?

And if "Cyprian and his monastery decision" are "a metaphor for the reclusive dedication of our writer", what exactly is this telling us about Pynchon? That he stopped taking part in societal conflicts?   

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>On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>If Cyprian and his decision(s) are some kind of upbeat authorial value embodiment in
>>AtD, "the Heyschasts, who might as well have been Japanese Buddhists---they sat in their cells,
>>gazing at their navels, waiting to be enfolded in a glorious light they believed was the same light
>>Peter, James, and John had witnessed at theTransfiguration of Christ on Mount Tabor.......
>>are not. 
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>>the place where human nature met God---wikipedia describing the theological import of
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus"
>>
>>"perhaps they asked themselves forms of your question as well, as a sort of koan. What is it that
>>is born of that light? Oddly, if one reads the Gospel accounts, the emphasis in all three is not on
>>an excess of light but a deficiency---the Transfiguration occurred at best under a peculiar sort of half-light.
>>'There came a cloud and overshadowed them", as Luke puts it. Those omphalopsychoi might have
>>seen a holy light, but its link with the Transfiguration is doubtful.
>>
>>A little hermenuetical theology from our God-obsessed writer? Knows the Gospel accounts yet, 
>>gives us another metaphor for agnosticism? Clouds. Or another dissing of religious belief altogether
>>even if Buddhist. As above, so below?
>>
>>Certainly a dissing of navel-gazing whether Western or Eastern? Action matters, even if it is Cyprian's
>>self-reclusive action? Is Cyprian and his monastery decision a metaphor for the reclusive dedication of
>>our writer? 
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