TP or NP? Trial balloon goes up

Tue Jul 31 13:26:15 CDT 2012

So you don't have a problem now.  Now you have an obstruction.  And your
obstruction is your not understanding how what I said is connected to a
certain discussion of Pynchon at hand.

And you want me to bring you to understand the connections between what I
said and what you believe were the relevant discussion of Pynchon at hand.

I have already done that.  Shall I try again?  Fine.

For clarity, what was the discussion at hand?  I see Mr.Kohut's first post
was about math in Pynchon.  But it doesn't say anything about any
"invention" of Pynchon's.  And the first post that I responded to in this
thread had to do with Maxwell, with no mention of any "inventions".

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I never once mentioned Christ, when I say "his invention" I mean
> Pynchon's... nor did I bring up the topic of Hebrew Literature, but simply
> went along with your thought-process because I thought it was actually
> going somewhere relevant to the discussion (being Pynchon)...?
>
> It is not so much a problem as it is an obstruction to the lively Topic at
> hand...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Madeleine Maudlin <
> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What problem?  What are you talking about, man.  Is it a problem you are
>> having with something?
>>
>> What is your problem?  You asked me what connections I'm drawing between
>> Pynchon and Jesus's invention.  I said none.
>>
>> How is that a problem for you?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> "I'm not drawing any connections between Pynchon and his invention."
>>>
>>> Therein, dear Madeleine, lies the problem...?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Madeleine Maudlin <
>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you agree with me that Titus Flavius and his circle drew upon
>>>> Hebraic Texts to invent Jesus and write the Gospels.  I thought sure you'd
>>>> disagreed with me there?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not drawing any connections between Pynchon and his invention.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Without a doubt there exist real transference between the two, (and
>>>>> one may add a later Babylonian influence in the Post-Exile Books of Daniel
>>>>> and Enoch) but it seems that the ancient Hebrews did their very best to
>>>>> consciously subsume the Canaanite and Sumerian gods under one God, YHWH,
>>>>> thus creating something quite different... Call it "anxiety of
>>>>> influence"... the Hebrews, writing during the time of Solomon (who was
>>>>> reprimanded by YHWH for building temples to the diverse gods of his wives),
>>>>> drew upon the various Literature at their disposal to create a uniquely
>>>>> Hebraic Text....
>>>>> Perhaps we are nearing the relevance to this discussion... but can you
>>>>> help me draw the connection to P. and his invention?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Madeleine Maudlin <
>>>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How have I come to see the relevance here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a wonderful question, Alex, thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "...for He hath weighed the world in the balance..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever wonder how the Sumerians, Alex, and the people of Avebury, when
>>>>>> you really look at it, they knew the actual correct physical weight of the
>>>>>> world?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever thought about how so much of the Old Testament is based on
>>>>>> Sumerian legends?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny, how easily we Wander off-topic... or else neglect to properly
>>>>>>> state how we came upon a current thought-process...
>>>>>>> Interesting, Madeleine, but how have you come to see the relevance
>>>>>>> here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Madeleine Maudlin <
>>>>>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I love James Clerk Maxwell!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was just noticing this not an hour ago:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://atlasobscura.com/place/richat-structure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The explanations are within the parameters of acceptable
>>>>>>>> indoctrinated scientific discussion.  Vulcano! etc.  But I was wondering if
>>>>>>>> anybody has noticed how closely it resembles these somewhat recent photos:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/cassini20091209.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maxwell, following Reimann, venturing into higher dimensions with
>>>>>>>> his quaternions, hyperspatial aether, I wonder if he worked out the
>>>>>>>> temperatures around portals such as these?:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia12867.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All surely foreseen by that great mystic drunk from the northern
>>>>>>>> territories, Sir Hamilton..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Monte Davis <
>>>>>>>> montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well said. Of course, as one who switched  majors from physical
>>>>>>>>> chemistry to comparative literature… and then a science writer who kept
>>>>>>>>> finding mythical narratives deeply embedded in the aseptic official version
>>>>>>>>> of scientific progress (
>>>>>>>>> http://www.science20.com/monte_davis/field_james_clerk_maxwell-78111)... I
>>>>>>>>> *would* say that, wouldn’t I?****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Alex Colter [mailto:recoignishon at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:25 AM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* Monte Davis
>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* alice wellintown; pynchon -l
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: TP or NP? Trial balloon goes up****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not so sure that Mathematics is being satirized in AtD, I
>>>>>>>>> think perhaps P. has, since he was a youngun, possessed a very real sort of
>>>>>>>>> tension between a Mathematical or Thermodynamic World-View, and a more
>>>>>>>>> romantic Byron-esque World-View... the anxiety between the two and the
>>>>>>>>> various combats his Psyche engages produce a satirized portrait of Each
>>>>>>>>> Hemisphere, Literary and Scientific... our P. is both Timothy Tox with his
>>>>>>>>> Golem & Vaucanson with his Duck, both are, more often than not, invisible.
>>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Monte Davis <
>>>>>>>>> montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's remarkably silly even for you.****
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of alice wellintown
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:56 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: pynchon -l
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: TP or NP? Trial balloon goes up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> math is P novels is like physics in the big bang theory tv show.**
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>
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