TP or NP? Trial balloon goes up

[Alex Colter]

I never once mentioned Christ, when I say "his invention" I mean
Pynchon's... nor did I bring up the topic of Hebrew Literature, but simply
went along with your thought-process because I thought it was actually
going somewhere relevant to the discussion (being Pynchon)...?

It is not so much a problem as it is an obstruction to the lively Topic at
hand...


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Madeleine Maudlin <
madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:

> What problem?  What are you talking about, man.  Is it a problem you are
> having with something?
>
> What is your problem?  You asked me what connections I'm drawing between
> Pynchon and Jesus's invention.  I said none.
>
> How is that a problem for you?
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> "I'm not drawing any connections between Pynchon and his invention."
>>
>> Therein, dear Madeleine, lies the problem...?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Madeleine Maudlin <
>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So you agree with me that Titus Flavius and his circle drew upon Hebraic
>>> Texts to invent Jesus and write the Gospels.  I thought sure you'd
>>> disagreed with me there?
>>>
>>> I'm not drawing any connections between Pynchon and his invention.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Without a doubt there exist real transference between the two, (and one
>>>> may add a later Babylonian influence in the Post-Exile Books of Daniel and
>>>> Enoch) but it seems that the ancient Hebrews did their very best to
>>>> consciously subsume the Canaanite and Sumerian gods under one God, YHWH,
>>>> thus creating something quite different... Call it "anxiety of
>>>> influence"... the Hebrews, writing during the time of Solomon (who was
>>>> reprimanded by YHWH for building temples to the diverse gods of his wives),
>>>> drew upon the various Literature at their disposal to create a uniquely
>>>> Hebraic Text....
>>>> Perhaps we are nearing the relevance to this discussion... but can you
>>>> help me draw the connection to P. and his invention?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Madeleine Maudlin <
>>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How have I come to see the relevance here?
>>>>>
>>>>> What a wonderful question, Alex, thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> "...for He hath weighed the world in the balance..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever wonder how the Sumerians, Alex, and the people of Avebury, when
>>>>> you really look at it, they knew the actual correct physical weight of the
>>>>> world?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever thought about how so much of the Old Testament is based on
>>>>> Sumerian legends?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny, how easily we Wander off-topic... or else neglect to properly
>>>>>> state how we came upon a current thought-process...
>>>>>> Interesting, Madeleine, but how have you come to see the relevance
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Madeleine Maudlin <
>>>>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love James Clerk Maxwell!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was just noticing this not an hour ago:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://atlasobscura.com/place/richat-structure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The explanations are within the parameters of acceptable
>>>>>>> indoctrinated scientific discussion.  Vulcano! etc.  But I was wondering if
>>>>>>> anybody has noticed how closely it resembles these somewhat recent photos:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/cassini20091209.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maxwell, following Reimann, venturing into higher dimensions with
>>>>>>> his quaternions, hyperspatial aether, I wonder if he worked out the
>>>>>>> temperatures around portals such as these?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia12867.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All surely foreseen by that great mystic drunk from the northern
>>>>>>> territories, Sir Hamilton..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Monte Davis <
>>>>>>> montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well said. Of course, as one who switched  majors from physical
>>>>>>>> chemistry to comparative literature… and then a science writer who kept
>>>>>>>> finding mythical narratives deeply embedded in the aseptic official version
>>>>>>>> of scientific progress (
>>>>>>>> http://www.science20.com/monte_davis/field_james_clerk_maxwell-78111)... I
>>>>>>>> *would* say that, wouldn’t I?****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Alex Colter [mailto:recoignishon at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:25 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Monte Davis
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* alice wellintown; pynchon -l
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: TP or NP? Trial balloon goes up****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not so sure that Mathematics is being satirized in AtD, I
>>>>>>>> think perhaps P. has, since he was a youngun, possessed a very real sort of
>>>>>>>> tension between a Mathematical or Thermodynamic World-View, and a more
>>>>>>>> romantic Byron-esque World-View... the anxiety between the two and the
>>>>>>>> various combats his Psyche engages produce a satirized portrait of Each
>>>>>>>> Hemisphere, Literary and Scientific... our P. is both Timothy Tox with his
>>>>>>>> Golem & Vaucanson with his Duck, both are, more often than not, invisible.
>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Monte Davis <
>>>>>>>> montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's remarkably silly even for you.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org]
>>>>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of alice wellintown
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:56 AM
>>>>>>>> To: pynchon -l
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: TP or NP? Trial balloon goes up
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> math is P novels is like physics in the big bang theory tv show.***
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
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