Back to AtD Reimann maths ain't life. p.891

[Richard Fiero]

Paul Mackin wrote:
>On 6/4/2012 11:17 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>>Paul writes:
>>"Interesting to know. There's also that Platonic idea is actually REAL,
>>Godel-complete math that is, and that as it becomes self aware it
>>perceives itself as a physical reality.
>>!! Where do you source this? I ask because I JUST READ that notion
>>in an early chapter of The Glass Bead Game, pointed to slant from a
>>non-plister who attributed it to Turing?? That is, the self-awareness
>>concept.
>>And, for the breadth of this discussion, I can add: later Wittgenstein
>>argued
>>that EVEN mathematics was humanly-created as a 'form of life' so to use
>>his key concept, nothing in math, not numbers, addition, etc. was
>>Platonic....(Witt was very anti-Platonic and his Remarks on Mathematics
>>very disputedly controversial).
>>and we know TRP read and used SOME Wittgenstein elsewhere.
>
>See Prashant's reply concerning the possibility. 
>He would go along with Witt I imagine.
>
>I was referring to the mathematical universe 
>hypothesis, but probably described it slipshodly.

Mathematics is a language which does not depend 
upon any physical interpretation for its validity.


>Wasn't Turing talking about machine self awareness?
>
>Math self awareness would seem to be a quantum leap beyond.

  Gödel is not in the book perhaps because he was 
born in 1906. Hilbert and possibly Hilbert's 
Formalism are in the book. Indeed Gödel destroyed Hilbert's program.
The Turing Machine is just a paper tape and a 
head which can read one symbol at a time stepping 
forward or backward. One might take a look at 
John von Neumann and the Johniac which is similar 
to Eniac, and indeed the entire nest-of-cyborgs 
RAND phenomena of Maxwell's Demon.



>If this has any meaning at all, I'd like to hear from Preshant on it.
>
>P