NP - What's So Bad About Theocracy, Anyway?

[Ian Livingston]

I don't see the disagreement there, David. Enlighten me.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:35 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> A not slight quibble:  Jesus (as Biblical character) didn't separate
> church from state making church's authority superior.  His separation was
> anti-confrontational.  If State was inferior, it wasn't so in this world's
> authority.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Friday, June 22, 2012, Ian Livingston wrote:
>
>> I agree with you almost completely, Joseph, except for this one point:
>> Jesus is never anti-authoritarian. Instead, he separates church from state.
>> Render unto Caesar and all that. The state is the state, it is not
>> compatible with religion. That is one of the chief points of
>> differentiation between Christianity and Islam. Mohammed's state is
>> theocratic. "St" Paul comes across as quite theocratic, also. He engineered
>> the true schism in Christianity. All other sectarian divisions are minor
>> after Paul's diversion from Jesus' teachings, the almost inevitable
>> subsequent union of Caesar and Christ, and the advent of militant
>> christianity in Rome. Now, I'm no christian, but I think this Voris guy is
>> as ridiculous as Paul and Constantine, so he scares me a little.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Christian is a loaded word whose ownership should not be conceded to
>>> theocratic killers. What we live in is a classic agonistic state religion
>>> of imperial dominance with roots in an upperclass ant-colonial revolution,
>>> now shading into a weird blend of plutocracy and militarism which uses
>>> personal greed and Old Testament homophobia and glorifications of ethnic
>>> cleansing as  pressure valves and scape goats when popular revolution
>>> looms.  Even the edited Jesus of the fucked over New Testament  was
>>>  peaceful and anti-authoritarian.  It would be impossible to construct the
>>> Cristian Right from a popular consensus about what Jesus taught in the New
>>> Testament. Where would they fit the Sermon on the Mount or the constant
>>> sharing of food?
>>> Unfortunately fascism has become a loaded word, but the combination of
>>> militarism, corporate power and colonial power structures along with the
>>> changing face of the big enemy( Communism, Islam, Terror, Brownness,
>>> Blackness, Yellowness, Redness,  ), the claim to absolute imperial power of
>>> life and death all point to that word as being as accurate a description of
>>> the US as any I can think of.
>>> On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Madeleine Maudlin wrote:
>>>
>>> > Don't we already live in a Christian theocracy?
>>> >
>>> > "Ugh!"
>>> > "Boo!"
>>> > "Yawn!"
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/not_parody_alert_whats_so_bad_about_theocracy_anyway
>>> >
>>> > You may recall Michael Voris from this video, “What’s So Bad About
>>> > Theocracy, Anyway?” that explains why the United States needs a
>>> > Christian dictator.
>>> >
>>> > It’s simple: pro-gay, pro-abortion “parasitic” liberals get to vote.
>>> >
>>> > Voris is the controversial star of the formerly named “Real Catholic
>>> > TV” web series. Yesterday, the conservative crusader announced that
>>> > his show will henceforth be known as “Church Militant TV” and that he
>>> > will be relaunching his brand (The Archdiocese of Detroit have
>>> > sensibly asserted that Voris was not authorized to speak for the real
>>> > Catholic Church and so now he’s using this more appropriate name).
>>> >
>>> > You probably think this is an Onion parody, don’t you?
>>> >
>>> > It’s not.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
>> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust
>> in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness
>> groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest
>> urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>>
>


-- 
"Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust in
reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness
groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest
urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
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