NP - What's So Bad About Theocracy, Anyway?

[David Morris]

No disagreement. I posted w/o fully going back to your first main post. I
fully agree. Jesus's point was to diffuse the powder keg of Church versus
State.  A very novel perspective, and a foundational point of our US
enlightenment roots.  Jefferson loved his Jesus, within limits.

On Friday, June 22, 2012, Ian Livingston wrote:

> I don't see the disagreement there, David. Enlighten me.
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:35 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A not slight quibble:  Jesus (as Biblical character) didn't separate
> church from state making church's authority superior.  His separation was
> anti-confrontational.  If State was inferior, it wasn't so in this world's
> authority.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Friday, June 22, 2012, Ian Livingston wrote:
>
> I agree with you almost completely, Joseph, except for this one point:
> Jesus is never anti-authoritarian. Instead, he separates church from state.
> Render unto Caesar and all that. The state is the state, it is not
> compatible with religion. That is one of the chief points of
> differentiation between Christianity and Islam. Mohammed's state is
> theocratic. "St" Paul comes across as quite theocratic, also. He engineered
> the true schism in Christianity. All other sectarian divisions are minor
> after Paul's diversion from Jesus' teachings, the almost inevitable
> subsequent union of Caesar and Christ, and the advent of militant
> christianity in Rome. Now, I'm no christian, but I think this Voris guy is
> as ridiculous as Paul and Constantine, so he scares me a little.
>
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>  Christian is a loaded word whose ownership should not be conceded to
> theocratic killers. What we live in is a classic agonistic state religion
> of imperial dominance with roots in an upperclass ant-colonial revolution,
> now shading into a weird blend of plutocracy and militarism which uses
> personal greed and Old Testament homophobia and glorifications of ethnic
> cleansing as  pressure valves and scape goats when popular revolution
> looms.  Even the edited Jesus of the fucked over New Testament  was
>  peaceful and anti-authoritarian.  It would be impossible to construct the
> Cristian Right from a popular consensus about what Jesus taught in the New
> Testament. Where would they fit the Sermon on the Mount or the constant
> sharing of food?
> Unfortunately fascism has become a loaded word, but the combination of
> militarism, corporate power and colonial power structures along with the
> changing face of the big enemy( Communism, Islam, Terror, Brownness,
> Blackness, Yellowness, Redness,  ), the claim to absolute imperial power of
> life and death all point to that word as being as accurate a description of
> the US as any I can think of.
> On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Madeleine Maudlin wrote:
>
> > Don't we already live in a Christian theocracy?
> >
> > "Ugh!"
> > "Boo!"
> > "Yawn!"
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:59 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/not_parody_alert_whats_so_bad_about_theocracy_anyway
> >
> > You may recall Michael Voris from this video, “What’s So Bad About
> > Theocracy, Anyway?” that explains why the United States needs a
> > Christian dictator.
> >
> > It’s simple: pro-gay, pro-abortion “parasitic” liberals get to vote.
> >
> > Voris is the controversial star of the formerly named “Real Catholic
> > TV” web series. Yesterday, the conservative crusader announced that
> > his show will henceforth be known as “Church Militant TV” and that he
> > will be relaunching his brand (The Archdiocese of Detroit have
> > sensibly asserted that Voris was not authorized to speak for the real
> > Catholic Church and so now he’s using this more appropriate name).
> >
> > You probably think this is an Onion parody, don’t you?
> >
> > It’s not.
> >
>
>
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> --
> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
> the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust in
> reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness
> groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest
> urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>
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>
>
> --
> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
> the warm sym
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