List of agnostics

[Lemuel Underwing]

I can't be less interested in what most of your religious (or nonreligious)
beliefs are, how about we talk about the subject of faith in the works of
Pynchon, hey? That would be an interesting discussion and it would allow us
to expound upon our own beliefs (or non-beliefs) in relation to his body of
work?

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>wrote:

> i continue to keep my spirituality personal, silent, and unexplained.
>
> please don't lump me in any of the aforementioned boxes.
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well unless you folks talk with Tom I don't know where you've gathered
> that he's either an agnostic of an atheist?
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM, < <kelber at mindspring.com>
> kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Wasn't referring to the people on THIS list, but to the people on the
>> list of agnostics that Dave Monroe sent a link to.
>>
>> LK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Colter **
>> Sent: Jun 27, 2012 5:48 PM
>> To: David Morris **
>> Cc: Phillip Greenlief **, <pynchon-l at waste.org>pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Subject: Re: List of agnostics
>>
>> Sure GR's core is deeply Agnostic, but M&D is a different thing
>> altogether. Tho' Cherrycoke is of a somewhat dubious orthodoxy he certainly
>> worships Christ and misses no opportunity to ridicule Deism...?
>> Presbyterian myself,
>> Did someone really insist that we were atheists?
>> some people on this list......
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, David Morris < <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've played with the I Ching (not seriously enough to say I've studied
>>> it) one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts.  At its heart it
>>> is a representation of the universe (maybe the source of Taoism), and
>>> its structure starts with two elements, yang & yin, symbolically
>>> corresponding  to male and female.  So it would agree to a universe of
>>> two frequencies, but they wouldn't be fear and love.  The range of
>>> opposites would be infinite, thus the spinning duality of the yin/yang
>>> mandala.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Phillip Greenlief <<pgsaxo at pacbell.net>
>>> pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Madeleine Maudlin < <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: List of agnostics
>>> >
>>> > Some say that there are but two primary vibrations in the world, of
>>> which
>>> > all things are varying frequencies: fear and love.  Fear, they say,
>>> are the
>>> > lower frequencies; love the higher.  The higher frequencies are more
>>> > energetic.  I don't think many will disagree, or all will concede the
>>> idea,
>>> > that higher energy is a manifestation of greater power.
>>> >
>>> > Nietzsche, the greatest of life-affirming humans, proclaimed that life
>>> is a
>>> > will to power.
>>> >
>>> > How does that sound?
>>> >
>>> > ***********************
>>> > i like the first statement, it is indeed something i've thought about
>>> > repeatedly. the universe revolving on two basic frequencies is a taoist
>>> > principle, methinks. the two sides of the taoist coin depend on one
>>> another
>>> > ... conflict is the axis upon which the tao spins ...  no conflict: no
>>> drama
>>> > - no literature, no art, no music, politics, etc. etc. etc. in that
>>> way, is
>>> > it perhaps inevitable that americans will continue to spin on the axis
>>> of
>>> > the two-party system?
>>> >
>>> > and yet, i don't truly see how fear can be a frequency that "just
>>> exists" -
>>> > because it is usually in reaction to something. it is possible that
>>> when
>>> > human consciousness apprehends the infinite nature of the universe,
>>> fear
>>> > will naturally follow ... like, how can you navigate something that is
>>> > endless, something whose form is a mystery?
>>> >
>>> > love seems something that you can possess - for humanity, for example,
>>> not
>>> > talking about a specific, romantic love for another person -
>>> unconditional
>>> > love can exist without responding to anything in particular. whereas
>>> fear is
>>> > something that comes from apprehending something you don't understand
>>> ...
>>> > yet.
>>> >
>>> > just responding, not attempting to propose answers to this puzzle.
>>>
>>
>> ******
>>
>>
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