List of agnostics

[Lemuel Underwing]

for example:
"The Ascent to Christ is a struggle thro' one heresy after another,
River-wise up-country into a proliferation of Sects and Sects branching
from Sects, unto Deism, faithless pretending to be holy, and beyond, - ever
away from the Sea, from the Harbor, from all that was serene and certain,
into an Interior unmapp'd, a Realm of Doubt. The Nights. The Storms and
Beasts. The Falls, the Rapids,...the America of the Soul."
-The Reverend Wicks Cherrycoke, '*Undelivered Sermons'*

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>wrote:

> I can't be less interested in what most of your religious (or
> nonreligious) beliefs are, how about we talk about the subject of faith in
> the works of Pynchon, hey? That would be an interesting discussion and it
> would allow us to expound upon our own beliefs (or non-beliefs) in relation
> to his body of work?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>wrote:
>
>> i continue to keep my spirituality personal, silent, and unexplained.
>>
>> please don't lump me in any of the aforementioned boxes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well unless you folks talk with Tom I don't know where you've gathered
>> that he's either an agnostic of an atheist?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM, < <kelber at mindspring.com>
>> kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wasn't referring to the people on THIS list, but to the people on the
>>> list of agnostics that Dave Monroe sent a link to.
>>>
>>> LK
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex Colter **
>>> Sent: Jun 27, 2012 5:48 PM
>>> To: David Morris **
>>> Cc: Phillip Greenlief **, <pynchon-l at waste.org>pynchon-l at waste.org
>>> Subject: Re: List of agnostics
>>>
>>> Sure GR's core is deeply Agnostic, but M&D is a different thing
>>> altogether. Tho' Cherrycoke is of a somewhat dubious orthodoxy he certainly
>>> worships Christ and misses no opportunity to ridicule Deism...?
>>> Presbyterian myself,
>>> Did someone really insist that we were atheists?
>>> some people on this list......
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, David Morris < <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've played with the I Ching (not seriously enough to say I've studied
>>>> it) one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts.  At its heart it
>>>> is a representation of the universe (maybe the source of Taoism), and
>>>> its structure starts with two elements, yang & yin, symbolically
>>>> corresponding  to male and female.  So it would agree to a universe of
>>>> two frequencies, but they wouldn't be fear and love.  The range of
>>>> opposites would be infinite, thus the spinning duality of the yin/yang
>>>> mandala.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Phillip Greenlief <<pgsaxo at pacbell.net>
>>>> pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Madeleine Maudlin < <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>>>> madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>>>>  > Subject: Re: List of agnostics
>>>> >
>>>> > Some say that there are but two primary vibrations in the world, of
>>>> which
>>>> > all things are varying frequencies: fear and love.  Fear, they say,
>>>> are the
>>>> > lower frequencies; love the higher.  The higher frequencies are more
>>>> > energetic.  I don't think many will disagree, or all will concede the
>>>> idea,
>>>> > that higher energy is a manifestation of greater power.
>>>> >
>>>> > Nietzsche, the greatest of life-affirming humans, proclaimed that
>>>> life is a
>>>> > will to power.
>>>> >
>>>> > How does that sound?
>>>> >
>>>> > ***********************
>>>> > i like the first statement, it is indeed something i've thought about
>>>> > repeatedly. the universe revolving on two basic frequencies is a
>>>> taoist
>>>> > principle, methinks. the two sides of the taoist coin depend on one
>>>> another
>>>> > ... conflict is the axis upon which the tao spins ...  no conflict:
>>>> no drama
>>>> > - no literature, no art, no music, politics, etc. etc. etc. in that
>>>> way, is
>>>> > it perhaps inevitable that americans will continue to spin on the
>>>> axis of
>>>> > the two-party system?
>>>> >
>>>> > and yet, i don't truly see how fear can be a frequency that "just
>>>> exists" -
>>>> > because it is usually in reaction to something. it is possible that
>>>> when
>>>> > human consciousness apprehends the infinite nature of the universe,
>>>> fear
>>>> > will naturally follow ... like, how can you navigate something that is
>>>> > endless, something whose form is a mystery?
>>>> >
>>>> > love seems something that you can possess - for humanity, for
>>>> example, not
>>>> > talking about a specific, romantic love for another person -
>>>> unconditional
>>>> > love can exist without responding to anything in particular. whereas
>>>> fear is
>>>> > something that comes from apprehending something you don't understand
>>>> ...
>>>> > yet.
>>>> >
>>>> > just responding, not attempting to propose answers to this puzzle.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ******
>>>
>>>
>>
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