List of agnostics

[Ian Livingston]

How about Jamesian arguments about theism vs. non-theism, or Spinozist
pantheism? Seems to me P. weighs in on all of them at varying times
(anarchist miracles, a soul in every stone....) I wouldn't dare try to dig
so far into the works as to believe I could ascertain Pynchon's religious /
spiritual inclinations, but I would say that he certainly challenges a
thinking reader to think about the topic.


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>wrote:

> Moreover it seems that Pynchon does not doubt so much the *Existence *of
> God, but rather His Intentions...?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> O' Mopery. This is neither the Place nor Time. I joined this list for
>> conversation on the Works of Pynchon not some incredibly boring argument
>> over the existence of God. Obviously I made a wrong turn somewhere, this
>> couldn't be the *Pynchon *List...
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK.  This is deserving of analysis.  More soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 27, 2012, Lemuel Underwing wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> for example:
>>>> "The Ascent to Christ is a struggle thro' one heresy after another,
>>>> River-wise up-country into a proliferation of Sects and Sects branching
>>>> from Sects, unto Deism, faithless pretending to be holy, and beyond, - ever
>>>> away from the Sea, from the Harbor, from all that was serene and certain,
>>>> into an Interior unmapp'd, a Realm of Doubt. The Nights. The Storms and
>>>> Beasts. The Falls, the Rapids,...the America of the Soul."
>>>> -The Reverend Wicks Cherrycoke, '*Undelivered Sermons'*
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Lemuel Underwing <
>>>> luunderwing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't be less interested in what most of your religious (or
>>>> nonreligious) beliefs are, how about we talk about the subject of faith in
>>>> the works of Pynchon, hey? That would be an interesting discussion and it
>>>> would allow us to expound upon our own beliefs (or non-beliefs) in relation
>>>> to his body of work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i continue to keep my spirituality personal, silent, and unexplained.
>>>>
>>>> please don't lump me in any of the aforementioned boxes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Alex Colter <recoignishon at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well unless you folks talk with Tom I don't know where you've gathered
>>>> that he's either an agnostic of an atheist?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't referring to the people on THIS list, but to the people on the
>>>> list of agnostics that Dave Monroe sent a link to.
>>>>
>>>> LK
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alex Colter **
>>>> Sent: Jun 27, 2012 5:48 PM
>>>> To: David Morris **
>>>> Cc: Phillip Greenlief **, pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>> Subject: Re: List of agnostics
>>>>
>>>> Sure GR's core is deeply Agnostic, but M&D is a different thing
>>>> altogether. Tho' Cherrycoke is of a somewhat dubious orthodoxy he certainly
>>>> worships Christ and misses no opportunity to ridicule Deism...?
>>>> Presbyterian myself,
>>>> Did someone really insist that we were atheists?
>>>> some people on this list......
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've played with the I Ching (not seriously enough to say I've studied
>>>> it) one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts.  At its heart it
>>>> is a representation of the universe (maybe the source of Taoism), and
>>>> its structure starts with two elements, yang & yin, symbolically
>>>> corresponding  to male and female.  So it would agree to a universe of
>>>> two frequencies, but they wouldn't be fear and love.  The range of
>>>> opposites would be infinite, thus the spinning duality of the yin/yang
>>>> mandala.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Madeleine Maudlin <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>>>>  > Subject: Re: List of agnostics
>>>> >
>>>> > Some say
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


-- 
"Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust in
reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness
groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest
urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
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