AtD, Lake and overcoming retribution?

[Mark Kohut]

Ian,

Wait until David reads my tortuous tieing-in---progressive knotting into,so to speak---
of Lake and Lew near the end. Even if he feels like flaming me, he will be laughing so uncontrollably
his fingers will be useless.

I think Paul M. is right: Lake is very important, very interesting
....and another of 'em 'moral centers', eh cowpoke?

Speaking of flaming, everyone remember that guy early who had flame coming out 'is head? ---
meaning????

The Grand Tortuous Fan

----- Original Message -----
From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
To: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>; P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: AtD, Lake and overcoming retribution?

Sorry to be abrupt.  Mark knows he's an unflappable fan, so I don't
think he takes the charge as an insult.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:29 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
> I like to think we are here to riff on the work, rather than to rip on each other.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This take is a perfect example of why P's later fiction falls flat.  Tortured fan-take.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 1, 2012, Mark Kohut wrote:
>>>
>>> Lake. virtually disowned by dad, with no attempt to understand, no second
>>> chance, after a rebellious absquatulation.
>>> So, she accepts her rejection...and marries one of her dad's killers and
>>> fucks them both.
>>> Dad was 'dead' to her AND what a rejection back, eh?  Mirrored 'revenge'
>>> against her dad?
>>> Yet unlike her brothers, she is not visited by her dad's ghost.
>>>
>>> Could fucking his killers be some kind of crazy metaphor
>>> for..............forgiveness?; forgiveness as forgetting?
>>> Way to overcome the endless cycle of retribution?
>>>
>>>
>>> In sections after she has accepted her dad's death, this notion is
>>> actually expressed by her friend, the Sheriff's wife,,
>>> as is the notion that she may have coupled with Deuce and Sloat and
>>> married Deuce to join with her dad's killer(s),
>>>
>>> Is Lake, with Cyprian,  the largest-souled woman in the book? (Have some
>>> stuff on soul still brewing, still distilling)
>
>
>
> --
> "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant