Back to AtD. "you will believe". p878

[alice wellintown]

Oh sure, lotz from Beyond. The Math & Religion, the failed analysis of
what constitutes violence in consensual sex. Sure.

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I agree that whatever it is, and I'm rereading Paul's words, it is
> somethi9ng beyond
> what we call--what was--feminism..
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> From: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Back to AtD. "you will believe". p878
>
> On 5/18/2012 9:05 PM, alice wellintown wrote:
>> And, what kind of feminism is Tom toaking here? It's rather
>> mainstream. I guess. So the trick is in the movies again. Yeah, he's a
>> regular Shakespeare, you know, like the way he does the....what is it
>> that Eliot took from Dickens? Or was that something Tom took after he
>> got ridd of his bad one. Not an ear but a voice? Never did pay much
>> attention to that elements of style, but that part that commands that
>> we Be Clear. The tongue in the stone is no smoother than the sole.
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> Feminism? I duuno, is Yashmeen's principal interest one of establishing or
> fighting for women's equality? Or is her role something else?
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> The scene is some kind of crazy enactment of the Coming of Modernity.
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> I can see here an Annunciation--an announcement of things to come--with
> Cyprian's Angel Gabriel playing opposite Yashmeen's Blessed Mother, only
> this time its her tell him what's going to happen.  (a touch of feminism
> after all)
>
> Reef of course is the Most Chaste Spouse Joseph, kept out of a physical role
> in the blessed conception by Angel Cyprian's Lucky Pierre intervention.
>
> Is this a serious possibly?
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>>>>> And when, a bit later, Yashmeen says "We are the future" how
>>>>> far into the future did you think she--TRP?--meant...
>>>>> 20s and Bloomsbury and wild 20s Jazz age permissiveness, etc..
>>>>> Or, to the present, lossely speaking?
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>>> I think Yashmeen is foreseeing the vast changes coming in the postwar
>>> world. Her cavorting with Cyprian, the role reversals, she sees in these
>>> prophetic terms, all the while realizing that her work on Cyp is only
>>> scratching the surface in things to come.  (couple of puns got worked in
>>> there somewhere)
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