Back to AtD. "you will believe". p878

[alice wellintown]

http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article05161201.aspx


On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 6:35 PM, alice wellintown
<alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh sure, lotz from Beyond. The Math & Religion, the failed analysis of
> what constitutes violence in consensual sex. Sure.
>
> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I agree that whatever it is, and I'm rereading Paul's words, it is
>> somethi9ng beyond
>> what we call--what was--feminism..
>>
>> From: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: Back to AtD. "you will believe". p878
>>
>> On 5/18/2012 9:05 PM, alice wellintown wrote:
>>> And, what kind of feminism is Tom toaking here? It's rather
>>> mainstream. I guess. So the trick is in the movies again. Yeah, he's a
>>> regular Shakespeare, you know, like the way he does the....what is it
>>> that Eliot took from Dickens? Or was that something Tom took after he
>>> got ridd of his bad one. Not an ear but a voice? Never did pay much
>>> attention to that elements of style, but that part that commands that
>>> we Be Clear. The tongue in the stone is no smoother than the sole.
>>
>> Feminism? I duuno, is Yashmeen's principal interest one of establishing or
>> fighting for women's equality? Or is her role something else?
>>
>> The scene is some kind of crazy enactment of the Coming of Modernity.
>>
>> I can see here an Annunciation--an announcement of things to come--with
>> Cyprian's Angel Gabriel playing opposite Yashmeen's Blessed Mother, only
>> this time its her tell him what's going to happen.  (a touch of feminism
>> after all)
>>
>> Reef of course is the Most Chaste Spouse Joseph, kept out of a physical role
>> in the blessed conception by Angel Cyprian's Lucky Pierre intervention.
>>
>> Is this a serious possibly?
>>
>> P
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>>>>>> And when, a bit later, Yashmeen says "We are the future" how
>>>>>> far into the future did you think she--TRP?--meant...
>>>>>> 20s and Bloomsbury and wild 20s Jazz age permissiveness, etc..
>>>>>> Or, to the present, lossely speaking?
>>>>>
>>>> I think Yashmeen is foreseeing the vast changes coming in the postwar
>>>> world. Her cavorting with Cyprian, the role reversals, she sees in these
>>>> prophetic terms, all the while realizing that her work on Cyp is only
>>>> scratching the surface in things to come.  (couple of puns got worked in
>>>> there somewhere)
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