Background for _Vineland_?
Madeleine Maudlin
madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com
Tue May 22 11:59:04 CDT 2012
Yes, basically I noticed it wasn't Mr.B writing, so I sort of grossly
assumed it was M. The whole thing was just a kneejerk reaction--
(M's going why the hell would you assume I defend Mr.B?!)
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>wrote:
> On 5/22/2012 12:39 PM, Madeleine Maudlin wrote:
>
>> I disagree with everything you say about Aquinas. Maybe the question is
>> a little deeper than you're noticing. Or you don't have a good answer,
>> or even a valid answer.
>>
>> The stupid, undeep question, which neither you nor Orlando will answer,
>> is why /you/ believe it.
>>
>
> I never said I believed it. Was just saying why non "believing" folks can
> still identify as Christians.
>
> But I see your point--I wasn't the right person to answer your
> question--you can't say why you believe something if you already don't.
>
> P
>
>
>
> I understand fully why an uneducated and
>
>> stupid child would believe it. They're told to believe it. But why
>> /you/. Who should by all sane accounts, know better.
>>
>>
>> If neither you nor Michael are Protestants, or Christians, than forget
>> about it. Laugh at the pathetic Christians with me. I only asked
>> because I had decided that Bailey is a Protestant, and he said something
>> about Protestants. Great scholars, poor on the religion choices.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net
>> <mailto:mackin.paul at verizon.**net <mackin.paul at verizon.net>>> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/22/2012 10:17 AM, Madeleine Maudlin wrote:
>>
>> I suppose you can't answer as to why Aquinas doesn't have his own
>> Church. Who knows. But why be a Protestant? What's it do.
>> What good
>> is it. Is it the Truth? Path to eternal life in Heaven? Do
>> Protestants believe in heaven? What is a Protestant?
>>
>> But more broadly, why be a Christian, is the question.
>>
>>
>> Because your parents were. Or more broadly because Western
>> Civilization was. It's a tradition thing.
>>
>> If you're Jewish, it doesn't mean you believe in the religious
>> aspects or practice them. So why not the same for Christians?
>>
>> Aquinas didn't start his own church because he was quite happy with
>> the one that was already there . Switching from one Greek
>> philosopher to another doesn't really change Christian belief.
>> Philosophy is only a tool to try to clarify things with.
>>
>> Any more of these deep questions need answerin'?
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>>
>> At first when I came across it on here I didn't believe it was a
>> serious
>> vibration, but now I believe that people on here are actual
>> Christians.
>> This is shocking to me, because I've always been largely under
>> the
>> impression that well educated and intelligent people are /not/
>> Christians.
>>
>>
>> Does it fit your personality? Are you interested in the
>> architecture?
>> Do you really think Jesus, the supposed Son of God, was nailed
>> to a
>> cross and died for your sins? As that the clincher? Does that
>> notion
>> turn you on? Do you repent yours sins? Or is that just for
>> Catholics...?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Michael Bailey
>> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com
>> <mailto:michael.lee.bailey@**gmail.com<michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> >
>> <mailto:michael.lee.bailey at __g**mail.com <http://gmail.com>
>>
>> <mailto:michael.lee.bailey@**gmail.com<michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> buncha good questions, here's another: that school that Mr
>> Pynchon
>> sent his son to and donated signed books to, isn't that a
>> Protestant
>> institution - I'm thinking Episcopal...
>>
>> anyway, I was just opining - the Immaculate Heart College
>> kind of a
>> PR3 situation, struck me - I also do a lot of posting and
>> not enough
>> researching, but the nuns working out a new order of things
>> and then
>> getting shown the door and that wonderful college, of which
>> I think I
>> saw that Mary Tyler Moore was an alum, getting closed down, and
>> liberation theology falling victim to conservatism, and the
>> contras
>> supported by the right-wing beneficiaries of Vatican
>> conservatism,
>> gunning down that dude serving Mass, and that wonderful
>> priest who
>> tried to unionize his brethren getting read the Riot Act by
>> the wicked
>> Archbishop of Nottingham...
>>
>> well it's the kind of stuff Protestants protest about, is how
>> it
>> struck me
>>
>> the jealous guarding of priestly prerogatives, the harsh
>> disciplines
>> and rigid hierarchies and the chauvinism
>> (and just perhaps, untoward side effects of celibacy...)
>>
>> -- like the Senator from Utah who really thought the ERA
>> would spell
>> the end of the Republic, McIntyres was (the man who squats
>> behind The
>> Man who works the Soft Machine) the kind of person it's really
>> tempting to think ill of, the sender of emissaries like
>> Brock Vond...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Madeleine Maudlin
>> <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com <mailto:madeleinemaudlin@**gmail.com<madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>> >
>> <mailto:madeleinemaudlin at __gma**il.com <http://gmail.com>
>>
>> <mailto:madeleinemaudlin@**gmail.com <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>> > I suppose I should have also inquired, is Pynchon a Protestant,
>> Aquinian?
>> > Again, flying without clicking the links...
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Madeleine Maudlin
>> > <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com
>> <mailto:madeleinemaudlin@**gmail.com <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:madeleinemaudlin at __gma**il.com <http://gmail.com>
>>
>> <mailto:madeleinemaudlin@**gmail.com <madeleinemaudlin at gmail.com>
>> >>>
>>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What's a Protestant do again? Why be Protestant?
>> >>
>> >> I ask because I had reason to consider Christianity for a few
>> minutes
>> >> yesterday. Now here's a passing question: you had
>> neoPlatonism in
>> >> Christianity for what, the first half? Then Aquinas brought in
>> Aristotle,
>> >> and made Christianity much, more sane, maybe, kind of like the
>> Protesters
>> >> did. Why didn't Aquinas get his own branch of Christianity?
>> Or
>> did he?
>> >> Are there Animist churches of Christ, is that the line they'd
>> be, are?
>> >> Animist Catholics?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Michael Bailey
>> >> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com
>> <mailto:michael.lee.bailey@**gmail.com<michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> >
>> <mailto:michael.lee.bailey at __g**mail.com <http://gmail.com>
>> <mailto:michael.lee.bailey@**gmail.com<michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>>>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_**_Sisters_of_the_Immaculate___**
>> Heart_of_Mary<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Sisters_of_the_Immaculate___Heart_of_Mary>
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Sisters_of_the_Immaculate_**
>> Heart_of_Mary<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_of_the_Immaculate_Heart_of_Mary>
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Must say (as a Protestant, and you're free to say similar
>> stuff
>> about
>> >>> John Calvin and most definitely Martin Luther if you're a
>> Catholic)
>> >>> that McIntyre guy sounds like a real dick!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Strength you will acquire naturally, if you do plenty of work; and
>> dexterity you will acquire unconsciously with practice; but
>> style you
>> can only acquire by constant attention, and then only if you
>> have a
>> clear idea of what to aim at." - A. F. Jenkin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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