Hardly TRP at all, yet............
Bekah
bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Nov 6 14:19:01 CST 2012
And there's always "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Anderson (!919) . The characters are all kind of middling grotesque - grotesque like a "gnarled, twisted apple." .
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/donnamford/anderson.html
Also, there were the 1930s "Middletown Studies" done by a pair of sociologists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middletown_studies
"The Lynds' findings were detailed in Middletown: A Study in Modern American Culture, published in 1929, and Middletown in Transition : A Study in Cultural Conflicts, published in 1937. They wrote in their first book:
"The city will be called Middletown. A community as small as thirty-odd thousand...[in which] the field staff was enabled to concentrate on cultural change...the interplay of a relatively constant...American stock and its changing environment" (1929: p. 8).
http://cms.bsu.edu/Academics/CentersandInstitutes/Middletown.aspx
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Bekah
On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Heikki Raudaskoski <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
>
> As someone who has spent three months in Ohio, I can't understand this
> vitriol either. When it comes to fiction, however, there does seem to be
> a tradition of portraying Ohio.
>
> "The zone sometimes appears where we least expect it. In Ohio, for
> instance. In the literary imagination and the popular imagination alike,
> Ohio has long maintained, as they say, a low profile. Its image is one
> of colorlessness and poverty of associations. It is middle-American in
> every sense: middling in its landscapes and natural phenomena, culturally
> middling, sociologically middling - not, one would think, likely raw
> material for ontological improvisation. Yet, as we have seen, a number of
> postmodernist writers have chosen to improvise on the theme of Ohio:
> Patchen in The Journal of Albion Moonlight, Barthelme in Up, Aloft in
> the Air, Davenport in The Invention of Photography in Toledo. The zone
> of Ohio, it would appear, is a recurrent feature of postmodernist writing,
> a topos in both senses, geographical as well as rhetorical. --- [I]n
> order to understand why Ohio, of all places, belongs to the postmodernist
> repertoire, we need to take into account the semiotics of American space
> in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries."
> Brian McHale, Postmodernist Fiction (1987), p. 49.
>
> This was, of course, before AtD, yet after VL, where DL tries to hide in
> the middle-American town of Columbus, OH, in the guise of a moderate clerk.
>
> [Cf. Sherwood Anderson et al...]
>
>
> Heikki
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2012, rich wrote:
>
>> I think the sentiments are fairly parallel. not sure where all this vitriol
>> about Ohio comes from. i think it's dumb
>>
>> rich
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:23 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this thread has been about Columbus, OH, not the Spanish explorer.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i find all this columbus hating rather tiresome. as if native peoples
>>>> were living in harmony and not murdering each other, too. read fathers &
>>>> crows. it's standard reductions of a complicated world into an easily
>>>> identifiable good guy-bad guy history which I find moronic. i dont condone
>>>> wounded knee or cortez or like injustices but surely we can be a bit more
>>>> discerning than chorusing cortez the killer.
>>>>
>>>> rich
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah it started with Columbus and spread from the asshole of Ohio out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 5, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> amen to that...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> there's enough mediocrity to go around no matter where you are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kirn is a novelist, as you may know, covering this election as a
>>>>>>> writer not like a journalist. I am not sending this to
>>>>>>> start plist conversations on the election or OHIO, yet I bet, in the
>>>>>>> way we do, it might and they will be better than some journalists'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am sending it because the very novelistic judgment of "mediocrity"
>>>>>>> reminds me like a knocking stick of TRP's take on OHIO, via
>>>>>>> the Swiftian savaging of Columbus in that greater and greater book:
>>>>>>> Against the Day. And, of course, Columbus has naming resonance
>>>>>>> with the promise of America. Goodbye,Columbus (but I hope you come
>>>>>>> through for this election. Again.)
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> *The New Republic (@tnr <https://twitter.com/tnr>)*
>>>>>>> 11/5/12, 8:00 AM <https://twitter.com/tnr/status/265438354118684672>
>>>>>>> . at walterkirn <https://twitter.com/@walterkirn> says the fact that
>>>>>>> #Ohio <http://search.twitter.com/search?q=#Ohio>, the cradle of U.S.
>>>>>>> mediocrity, gets to pick the president is terrifying bit.ly/SsPXxC<http://t.co/N7ZouPUm>
>>>>>>> **Download the official Twitter app here<https://twitter.com/download>
>>>>>>> ****Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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