NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[Ian Livingston]

Um. Not so old as all that, but I have great-neices-and nephews whose
parents help to keep me informed about their concerns. I have always been a
lizard, thank you.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Spread your wings for the humans.  For all of us, you freakazoid.
>
> Tell us the eternal tale of what, one day, ages ago, you ingested yourself
> from a bazillion years ago, then you drank some passion fruit, and then
> turned yourself into Ian.
>
> I fucking love Ians, I love you fucking people!
>
> Now let me watch you work.  We are workaholics.  These stupid idiots don't
> realize it.  But just explain to them, starting now, what an Ian is.  Do
> they have brains?  Will you allow them into your spiritual world, you
> never-dying Livingston?
>
> Come on and do it.  I get to have fun now, yes.
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> How fucking old are you, Livingston?  Come on.  Stick out your lizard
>> lips and show these stupid humans how old you are.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think one of the greatest factors OWS contributed was its impact on
>>> the youth vote. Once the movement responded to the problems of planted
>>> agents provocateurs, homeless followers, and police brutality by evolving
>>> beyond a protest movement into a political movement, their attractiveness
>>> to young voters increased dramatically, I suspect (extrapolating from the
>>> young people I know--which is a very small sample), and they put effort
>>> into getting out the vote. Then, of course, the work they've done
>>> post-Sandy made front pages again, again with positive associations. The
>>> message remains the same: it's up to us to change things because the
>>> government has become unresponsive to the wishes and needs of the people.
>>> That resonates clearly in these times.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No need to prolong this.  But prior to OWS, despite polls showing the
>>>> public didn't care about deficit reduction, that was the only thing the GOP
>>>> harped on, and Obama wasn't disagreeing much.  OWS IMHO very effectively
>>>> turned the conversation to economic just, not austerity.  Europe still
>>>> doesn't get that one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> most people polled said deficit reduction wasn't one of their major
>>>>> concerns. Jobs and others were. I'm not saying OWS didnt raise some
>>>>> sort of awareness but so much of what people were feeling they were
>>>>> feeling so personally (their wages, retirement funds, etc.) that even
>>>>> without OWS around their votes wouldn't be any different from the
>>>>> election results.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Occupy successfully changed the predominant conversation from deficit
>>>>> > reduction to income  and opportunity inequality. THAT's what Pierce
>>>>> is
>>>>> > talking about, and Romney's 47% secret recording played into occupy
>>>>> > perfectly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think tha'ts a stretch. u didnt need a weatherman...etc etc. I
>>>>> think
>>>>> >> many people were plain insulted by the Romney clap trap--they didnt
>>>>> >> need a movement to tell them not to vote for him. it's also a
>>>>> >> statement that hardly could be proved anyway.
>>>>> >> what about the african american, latino, immigrant, lgbt and women
>>>>> >> vote--highly influential in this election not all of them predicated
>>>>> >> on class per se, no?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> rich
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> . But its effect on the election
>>>>> >> > just passed could not be more profound, and it should not be
>>>>> ignored —
>>>>> >> > though it likely will be — by the rest of the people trying to
>>>>> make
>>>>> >> > sense of
>>>>> >> > What It All Means. Occupy changed the national dialogue. Willard
>>>>> >> > Romney's
>>>>> >> > surreptitiously taped comments about "the 47 percent" would not
>>>>> have had
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > resonance they did had the Occupy movement not gotten the country
>>>>> >> > talking
>>>>> >> > about the 99 percent and the one percent. It created a new
>>>>> rhetorical
>>>>> >> > paradigm that simply would not have been there had it not been
>>>>> >> > originally
>>>>> >> > shouted at the correct buildings. And it was that new paradigm
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> > triumphed Tuesday night.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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