NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[Bled Welder]

You are welcome.  You are a beautiful beast.  Let's have the party begin,
shall we?  It's going to be hilarious.

Let it be.  Let's flood this sucker and become the gods we are.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:

> Um. Not so old as all that, but I have great-neices-and nephews whose
> parents help to keep me informed about their concerns. I have always been a
> lizard, thank you.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Spread your wings for the humans.  For all of us, you freakazoid.
>>
>> Tell us the eternal tale of what, one day, ages ago, you ingested
>> yourself from a bazillion years ago, then you drank some passion fruit, and
>> then turned yourself into Ian.
>>
>> I fucking love Ians, I love you fucking people!
>>
>> Now let me watch you work.  We are workaholics.  These stupid idiots
>> don't realize it.  But just explain to them, starting now, what an Ian is.
>>  Do they have brains?  Will you allow them into your spiritual world, you
>> never-dying Livingston?
>>
>> Come on and do it.  I get to have fun now, yes.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> How fucking old are you, Livingston?  Come on.  Stick out your lizard
>>> lips and show these stupid humans how old you are.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Ian Livingston <
>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think one of the greatest factors OWS contributed was its impact on
>>>> the youth vote. Once the movement responded to the problems of planted
>>>> agents provocateurs, homeless followers, and police brutality by evolving
>>>> beyond a protest movement into a political movement, their attractiveness
>>>> to young voters increased dramatically, I suspect (extrapolating from the
>>>> young people I know--which is a very small sample), and they put effort
>>>> into getting out the vote. Then, of course, the work they've done
>>>> post-Sandy made front pages again, again with positive associations. The
>>>> message remains the same: it's up to us to change things because the
>>>> government has become unresponsive to the wishes and needs of the people.
>>>> That resonates clearly in these times.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No need to prolong this.  But prior to OWS, despite polls showing the
>>>>> public didn't care about deficit reduction, that was the only thing the GOP
>>>>> harped on, and Obama wasn't disagreeing much.  OWS IMHO very effectively
>>>>> turned the conversation to economic just, not austerity.  Europe still
>>>>> doesn't get that one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> most people polled said deficit reduction wasn't one of their major
>>>>>> concerns. Jobs and others were. I'm not saying OWS didnt raise some
>>>>>> sort of awareness but so much of what people were feeling they were
>>>>>> feeling so personally (their wages, retirement funds, etc.) that even
>>>>>> without OWS around their votes wouldn't be any different from the
>>>>>> election results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Occupy successfully changed the predominant conversation from
>>>>>> deficit
>>>>>> > reduction to income  and opportunity inequality. THAT's what Pierce
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> > talking about, and Romney's 47% secret recording played into occupy
>>>>>> > perfectly.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I think tha'ts a stretch. u didnt need a weatherman...etc etc. I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> >> many people were plain insulted by the Romney clap trap--they didnt
>>>>>> >> need a movement to tell them not to vote for him. it's also a
>>>>>> >> statement that hardly could be proved anyway.
>>>>>> >> what about the african american, latino, immigrant, lgbt and women
>>>>>> >> vote--highly influential in this election not all of them
>>>>>> predicated
>>>>>> >> on class per se, no?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> rich
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> . But its effect on the election
>>>>>> >> > just passed could not be more profound, and it should not be
>>>>>> ignored —
>>>>>> >> > though it likely will be — by the rest of the people trying to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> >> > sense of
>>>>>> >> > What It All Means. Occupy changed the national dialogue. Willard
>>>>>> >> > Romney's
>>>>>> >> > surreptitiously taped comments about "the 47 percent" would not
>>>>>> have had
>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>> >> > resonance they did had the Occupy movement not gotten the country
>>>>>> >> > talking
>>>>>> >> > about the 99 percent and the one percent. It created a new
>>>>>> rhetorical
>>>>>> >> > paradigm that simply would not have been there had it not been
>>>>>> >> > originally
>>>>>> >> > shouted at the correct buildings. And it was that new paradigm
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >> > triumphed Tuesday night.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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