NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[Bled Welder]

Why act like you don't know my language.  I mean for them.  Let's talk
human for the humans.  Why not?  It will be fun.  I have to save them.
 There is a star crashing now, and the idiots think it's a storm...

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:17 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:

> Well thanks for the response, Bled.  I do wish, however, that  I had the
> slightest idea what you're talking about.  Is English your first language?
>
>  Happy landings.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>
> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:11 pm
> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
>
>  Who are you talking about, my dear?  My wondrous sweet Maligned?
>
>  Whoever those idiots were, are, they're fucking gone.  For now.  We're
> landing now.  I am here for the crash, and then a few eons afterwards.
>
>  You know that if you don't like it, you can leave on the solstice.  I
> made windows of time for a reason.  Because I care about you.  All of us.
>  I will stay and fight these machine bozos.
>
>  On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I have no dog in this fight, but am skeptical about how much of an impact
>> OWS had on the election or on anything else.  I work on WS every day and
>> have watched and wondered and never was able to reach a conclusion.  Their
>> energy a year ago was impressive and moving, their message garbled and
>> often incoherent.  Certainly they garnered media attention, but that is
>> difficult to translate into actual achievement.
>>
>>  The most recent incarnation is an embarrassment -- an exhausted skid
>> row of the vagrant and seemingly brain dead and hapless, camped out, filthy
>> and exhausted, in front of Trinity Church to no effect other than to
>> engender, alternatively, pity and loathing.  Hard to see them having any
>> influence on anything in 2013.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>
>> To: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> Cc: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>; rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>;
>> P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:29 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
>>
>>  How fucking old are you, Livingston?  Come on.  Stick out your lizard
>> lips and show these stupid humans how old you are.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think one of the greatest factors OWS contributed was its impact on
>>> the youth vote. Once the movement responded to the problems of planted
>>> agents provocateurs, homeless followers, and police brutality by evolving
>>> beyond a protest movement into a political movement, their attractiveness
>>> to young voters increased dramatically, I suspect (extrapolating from the
>>> young people I know--which is a very small sample), and they put effort
>>> into getting out the vote. Then, of course, the work they've done
>>> post-Sandy made front pages again, again with positive associations. The
>>> message remains the same: it's up to us to change things because the
>>> government has become unresponsive to the wishes and needs of the people.
>>> That resonates clearly in these times.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No need to prolong this.  But prior to OWS, despite polls showing the
>>>> public didn't care about deficit reduction, that was the only thing the GOP
>>>> harped on, and Obama wasn't disagreeing much.  OWS IMHO very effectively
>>>> turned the conversation to economic just, not austerity.  Europe still
>>>> doesn't get that one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> most people polled said deficit reduction wasn't one of their major
>>>>> concerns. Jobs and others were. I'm not saying OWS didnt raise some
>>>>> sort of awareness but so much of what people were feeling they were
>>>>> feeling so personally (their wages, retirement funds, etc.) that even
>>>>> without OWS around their votes wouldn't be any different from the
>>>>> election results.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Occupy successfully changed the predominant conversation from deficit
>>>>> > reduction to income  and opportunity inequality. THAT's what Pierce
>>>>> is
>>>>> > talking about, and Romney's 47% secret recording played into occupy
>>>>> > perfectly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think tha'ts a stretch. u didnt need a weatherman...etc etc. I
>>>>> think
>>>>> >> many people were plain insulted by the Romney clap trap--they didnt
>>>>> >> need a movement to tell them not to vote for him. it's also a
>>>>> >> statement that hardly could be proved anyway.
>>>>> >> what about the african american, latino, immigrant, lgbt and women
>>>>> >> vote--highly influential in this election not all of them predicated
>>>>> >> on class per se, no?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> rich
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> . But its effect on the election
>>>>> >> > just passed could not be more profound, and it should not be
>>>>> ignored —
>>>>> >> > though it likely will be — by the rest of the people trying to
>>>>> make
>>>>> >> > sense of
>>>>> >> > What It All Means. Occupy changed the national dialogue. Willard
>>>>> >> > Romney's
>>>>> >> > surreptitiously taped comments about "the 47 percent" would not
>>>>> have had
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > resonance they did had the Occupy movement not gotten the country
>>>>> >> > talking
>>>>> >> > about the 99 percent and the one percent. It created a new
>>>>> rhetorical
>>>>> >> > paradigm that simply would not have been there had it not been
>>>>> >> > originally
>>>>> >> > shouted at the correct buildings. And it was that new paradigm
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> > triumphed Tuesday night.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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