NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013

[David Morris]

Sandy was Katrina frosting in changing the
Global Warming conversation.  A similar changer  & much needed.

On Sunday, November 11, 2012, Markekohut wrote:

> At the barest minimum, as Ian wrote, Occupy Sandy seems to be a leader in
> spontaneous, anarchistic -like help for sufferers of the Storms...
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:53 PM, malignd at aol.com wrote:
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> I have no dog in this fight, but am skeptical about how much of an impact
> OWS had on the election or on anything else.  I work on WS every day and
> have watched and wondered and never was able to reach a conclusion.  Their
> energy a year ago was impressive and moving, their message garbled and
> often incoherent.  Certainly they garnered media attention, but that is
> difficult to translate into actual achievement.
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>  The most recent incarnation is an embarrassment -- an exhausted skid row
> of the vagrant and seemingly brain dead and hapless, camped out, filthy and
> exhausted, in front of Trinity Church to no effect other than to engender,
> alternatively, pity and loathing.  Hard to see them having any influence on
> anything in 2013.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bled Welder <bledwelder at gmail.com>
> To: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Cc: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>; rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>;
> P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:29 pm
> Subject: Re: NP - What Occupy Did to 2012, What It Will Do to 2013
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>  How fucking old are you, Livingston?  Come on.  Stick out your lizard
> lips and show these stupid humans how old you are.
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> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:
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> I think one of the greatest factors OWS contributed was its impact on the
> youth vote. Once the movement responded to the problems of planted agents
> provocateurs, homeless followers, and police brutality by evolving beyond a
> protest movement into a political movement, their attractiveness to young
> voters increased dramatically, I suspect (extrapolating from the young
> people I know--which is a very small sample), and they put effort into
> getting out the vote. Then, of course, the work they've done post-Sandy
> made front pages again, again with positive associations. The message
> remains the same: it's up to us to change things because the government has
> become unresponsive to the wishes and needs of the people. That resonates
> clearly in these times.
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> No need to prolong this.  But prior to OWS, despite polls showing the
> public didn't care about deficit reduction, that was the only thing the GOP
> harped on, and Obama wasn't disagreeing much.  OWS IMHO very effectively
> turned the conversation to economic just, not austerity.  Europe still
> doesn't get that one.
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> most people polled said deficit reduction wasn't one of their major
> concerns. Jobs and others were. I'm not saying OWS didnt raise some
> sort of awareness but so much of what people were feeling they were
> feeling so personally (their wages, retirement funds, etc.) that even
> without OWS around their votes wouldn't be any different from the
> election results.
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Occupy successfully changed the predominant conversation from deficit
> > reduction to income  and opportunity inequality. THAT's what Pierce is
> > talking about, and Romney's 47% secret recording played in
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