It's Pynchon's world, we only try for a little privacy within it

[Monte Davis]

Part of it might be that Le Carre's work and Cornwell's own earlier
intelligence work shared the context of an empire in decline: as in
Fleming's books, MI5/MI6 knew (and resented) that their US counterparts had
greater resources and reach, even in places that the UK had ruled not long
before. There's a fin-de-siecle melancholy and resignation about the Circus.

So if US triumphalism -- "the indispensable nation," "what shall we do about
Egypt/Libya/Syria/Mali?" -- flourishes despite all evidence  that its
imperial business model is obsolescent, wouldn't you expect that to rub Le
Carre the wrong way? (Going for explanation rather than excuse or defense
here)    

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From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On Behalf
Of rich
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:26 AM
To: Markekohut
Cc: pynchon -l
Subject: Re: It's Pynchon's world, we only try for a little privacy within
it

not sure what you mean by "Le Carre is not liked and somehow influential to
Pynchon for nothing"

if there's anything about this scandal it's more like Homeland--the
privileged and well-connected and how they fuck things up. Personally I
think Petreaus get more praise than he really deserves. Iraq and Afghanistan
are lost wars-only the casualty numbers keeps them from being thrown in with
Vietnam. For the most pasrt the US military is highly trained and
skilled--how they have been led is if you listen to folks like Thomas Ricks
something that hasnt really been debated all that much.

LeCarre though a great novelist has become a kind of crank unfortunately.
the anti-americanism has become a bit stale imho

rich

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> G-men spy on our spies; they rat on each other to our politicians. 
> Pure Pynchon. a knotted mcCarthyism, so to compress. their love 
> interests harass which breaks open the whole military/ corporate knot.
Some.
>
> Le Carre is not liked and somehow influential to Pynchon for nothing. 
> One can almost imagine this pentagon quadrangle--oops, pentangle ( or 
> more) ---in GR, or time-changed, AtD.
>
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