Very misc related to grace

[Keith Davis]

Maybe AtD is his evacuation? His own knotting into...


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:05 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> ATD is, in part, a novel about anarchy, but it doesn't have the
> anarchistic feel of GR - not talking about structure, per se, but the whole
> feel of the novel (or at least the way it made me feel as a reader); like
> looking at a giant splatter painting that, as one steps back and reflects,
> has more meaning than its haphazard execution would suggest it had.  In GR,
> Pynchon uses the phrase "a progressive knotting into" to describe an
> evacuation.  This actually seems to be a good description of his approach
> in ATD: systematically bringing together disparate elements (story-lines)
> to achieve some cohesive whole (grace? A picture of the beginnings of the
> war whose end is depicted in GR?).  I prefer the anarchistic, exuberant
> splatter-painting of GR, but I can sympathize with those who like the
> progressive-knotting-into approach.
>
> Laura
>
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> From: David Morris **
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> To: Paul Mackin **
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> Subject: Re: Very misc related to grace
>
> I think he was exploring ideas, theories, philosophy in GR.  Probably less
> so in his later works.  I don't think he's just being "entertaining" in GR.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>>  Yes. The "Big Ideas" are means to ends--the ends being the inventive
>> portrayal of the uncanny, the weird, the divine, the unknown,  not to
>> exclude the scary and funny.
>>
>> He doesn't write philosophical fiction or novels of ideas--he's not
>> asking what is the purpose of our existence,  the meaning of life.
>>
>> He might well have said they fly toward grace or somethin'.  It would
>> have sounded too flippant but it wouldn't have changed anything.
>>
>> So long as it works for him, and it pretty much has.
>>
>> P
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>> On 11/26/2012 9:10 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>
>> Well said, Alice!
>>
>>  Paradox, Koans & Pretzil Logic R Pynchon.  Yin Yang is about all the
>> blends of duality, rarely the opposites alone.  His BIG ideas aren't
>> polemic, they're exploratory.
>>
>>  David Morris
>>
>> On Monday, November 26, 2012, alice wellintown wrote:
>>
>>> Pynchon likes to take on the BIG ideas (Entropy, History, Virginity,
>>> Gravity...Free Will & Grace) and turn them into pretzil logics or
>>> force them into Koans that paradoxically turn out to be ironic book of
>>> the dead (allusive parables) dead ends.
>>>
>>> Now, I'm no expert on Grace, or Pynchon, but I suspect that his use of
>>> Grace is an example of the propensity described above, and
>>> specifically the paraodoxical BIG idea Grace/Free Will.
>>>
>>> Why Pynchon does this or to what end is open to lotz of readings. I
>>> suspect that he does it because he is lazy; he re-worksd old material
>>> over and over again.
>>>
>>
>>
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