GR translation: more steeply than the waking will ever need

[Bled Welder]

It takes talent?  Pull this off, lady.

I need waking, that steep.  Or is it ly.  If I adverbize it, does it become
talentful?

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:21 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Of course, you'd have to have talent to pull that off.
>
> LK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bled Welder **
> Sent: Oct 29, 2012 1:14 PM
> To: Markekohut **
> Cc: Paul Mackin **, "pynchon-l at waste.org" **
> Subject: Re: GR translation: more steeply than the waking will ever need
>
> Remind me to write a book where everything has "multiple meanings".
>  Idiots will sit around and go, "Well what he meant *here* is, this, or
> that, and it could even be this, or that..."
>
> I'll be like that guy who wrote that bitchin book that everybody loves to
> read and think about because it's perfectly elusive and multiply meaningful.
>
> "What's he mean here, man?"
>
> "Oh, well in *that* bit there, he possibly meant *this*..."
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Nice..".perceptible signs of a different order".....a phrase that could
>> have come from Crying of Lot 49 and yes to double meaning (at least)
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 10/29/2012 8:28 AM, Markekohut wrote:
>> >> Perhaps all, each and every object? The contrast between order and
>> randomness.
>> >
>> > Slothrop senses some kind of disruption in the randomness of the
>> room--a  Maxwell's Demon perhaps. The room is "coded." There are
>> perceptible signs of a different order.  Order is double meaning here.
>>  There is the order (or lack of order) in the arrangement or rearrangement
>> of objects, but  also there seems to be a Secret Order--the kind of order
>> that takes oaths.  Another Order.
>> >
>> > Consider the use of the word "debris" in the book--it occurs 27
>> times--first time by Sloat in observing Slothrup' s desk.  It's a godawful
>> mess, completely random, without significance to Sloat's spy mission.
>> Except for one thing--the map of London tacked over the desk--it does seem
>> to have meaning, relevance.  It's coded. Sloat snaps it with his spy camera.
>> >
>> > Sloat is still watching Slothrup at the Casino.  Only this time it's
>> Slothrop who is beginning to Observe.
>> >
>> > He's not in Kansas anymore.  The normal, waking world is not a closed
>> system.  It's been penetrated.
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I should really have searched my own email before firing that one off.
>> >>> But this discussion of "the waking' is giving me new ideas.  Now I am
>> >>> thinking of the act of waking up from a dream, and the lingering
>> >>> images from the dream, which can be thought of as some kind of
>> >>> "debris".  Or is it actual debris floating and turning in the wake of
>> >>> a boat?  I may have finally gone off the deep end here.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway, it seems reasonable to assume that "the ordinary debris of
>> >>> waking" are the ordinary, everyday objects around Slothrop.  Now the
>> >>> question becomes, which objects belong to "the
>> >>> paraphernalia of an order whose presence he has only lately begun to
>> suspect"?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 3:05 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> 2012/10/28 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:56 PM, David Payne <
>> dpayne1912 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Although see how "waking" is used on p. 205..12::
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "For a minute here, Slothrop, in his English uniform, is alone
>> with the paraphernalia of an order whose presence among the ordinary debris
>> of waking he has only lately begun to suspect."
>> >>>>> That reminds me, what are these "ordinary debris of waking" anyway?
>> >>>> Until now I thought Laura had the right answer (from the 12th of
>> June):
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It's a nice thought experiment: you're sitting in a cluttered, really
>> >>>> messy room, because you're pretty much of a slob (the room's filled
>> >>>> with "the ordinary debris of waking.").  But then you're told
>> >>>> (Slothrop only suspects) that someone has selected certain items in
>> >>>> the room and moved them, slightly, without your knowledge, for
>> >>>> purposes beyond your understanding ("Their" order) .  Which objects?
>> >>>> Why?  That's how Slothrop feels.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Seems still plausible to me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps we should ask Max what he made of the two wakings in his
>> translation?
>> >
>>
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