Science Against the Day Labor

[rich]

re: BE

I wonder if the folks who loved Pynchon's reconstruction of 1970 LA where I
thought there was more of wow I remember that than wow I've never read
anything like that before will feel about BE, NYC 2001. If you weren't
there, will it still be as fascinating?
fwiw.. when I started to recognize things Delillo mentions in his later
books, small things, guys selling stuff on the street, guys I've seen alot
with my own eyes, for example, his books became less mysterious and
therefore not as interesting.

I hope that doesn't happen with BE but the excerpt would lead one to
believe is another light-hearted attempt, dialogue heavy--you know here
kids will be ok and she'll have many a scrape, and be plucky and annoying.

what I find sad is reading it, Pynchon has moved closer to the mainstream
writers. Coover's book sounds alot more interesting:

*The Brunist Day of Wrath*, Robert Coover's long-awaited, massive sequel to
his award-winning debut, is a committed and committing, awe-inspiring,
humbling look at fundamentalisms of all sorts in a world where religion
competes with money, common sense, despair, and reason; stranded in their
midst is beauty, is art.

*"Jesus loves me, this I know, For the Bible tells me so . . . " The young
Reverend Joshua J. Jenkins, candidate for the West Condon Presbyterian
ministry, whushing along through the rain-drenched countryside, the bus
nosing out of lush farmlands and dark wet forests onto the gently undulant
and somewhat barren coal basin that is to be, if his interview goes well,
his new home, finds himself meditating upon his church's Great Awakening—a
great disaster, as he was taught (he himself is just awaking from a thick
early-morning doze, his head fallen against the bus window, muddled dreams
of collegial dispute)—and upon the sequence of disruptive church schisms
and rationalist heresies that followed upon the Awakening's excessive
evangelism through the convulsions of the American nineteenth century, so
shaped by Presbyterian thought (and, one might say, confused by it as
well), out of which musings he hopes to craft his inaugural sermon, and
humming meanwhile that children's hymn of simple faith . . . *





On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:52 AM, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Readers of Pynchon works know that his first novel includes the incredible
> story of an engineer who travels to Africa. That story, and the astounding
> short, "The Secret Integration" are satires of the use/abuse, and
> ultimately, the disaterous failure of science and math to plumb the
> complexities of life and to use its abstractions to order and control, to
> silence, and make a pornography of,  the beautiful songs of Earth.
>
> So how, in P's development did we get to GR and Blicero. Well, we need to
> look into CL49. The inventor, the scientist, the inventor, the
> bureaucrat-engineer.
>
> Before we do, let me say that I was glad to see P take up Labor in
> Vinland. I had argued that this was his theme, but until VL showed up, it
> was a difficult thesis to support. But I was, as were many, disappointed in
> this work, as I have been in all of his california works, and, as I suspect
> I will be in BE.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:58 PM, alice wellintown <
> alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If God does not, as Milton sez in his famous sonnet, exact day labor
>> light denied, this hasn't prevented men from exacting day labor from men,
>> light, and even life, denied. Science was not much around to make safe the
>> lives of the working men and women we read about in AGTD. Empirical
>> practice was the method adopted, trial and selection, the railroad, the
>> mines, the textile mills, these had not science, and many lives were lost
>> because safety valves were not devised or employed to protect workers from
>> exploding steam machines. Sure, science would have made things safer,
>> better, if not for the workers, for the bosses  and their bosses, but for
>> safety it was the men who worked the mines the factories who improved the
>> work, the conditions, the safety. Even the laws of mechanical motion were
>> not trumped by these pragmatic and practical men who worked, for the most
>> part, without math or the scientific method. But once science began to
>> apply its method, like a man with a hammer who sees a nail in every grain
>> of sand, science applied its "scientific" method to every inch of man and
>> to every hair and every grain of sand. And so, science, systematically,
>> took over, from religion, from all other institutions of culture, and to
>> all inquires, to thought itself, to every mode of investigation, and it
>> claimed to have a better method for advancing all human persuits and
>> objectives, even the destruction of all human pursuits and objectives.
>> Moreover, not satisfied with using tools, extensions of human power, to
>> improve the human lot, to add human tools and science to the existing
>> patterns of life, as, say a farmer with a tool in his hand, science
>> fashioned organisms, including man, for machaniisms, for machines. So, the
>> huge farms, where science applied its method to plants and animals, and the
>> huge hospitals (white visitation) where science applied its methods to
>> human minds, and the huge, world wars where it applied its killing
>> machines, machines that a man might fly in, if he were fashioned to it and
>> not the other way round. This is Blicero's launch!
>>
>
>
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