First Page of Bleeding Edge?

Tue Apr 16 19:13:28 CDT 2013

I agree with you about AtD. It also bears many repeated readings.

--- On Tue, 4/16/13, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?
> To: "Rich Clavey" <antizoyd at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" <pynchon-l at waste.org>, "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 6:11 PM
> Okay, I'm not going to defend IV, nor
> this one but I am going to say the hidden density of AtD
> Is still virtually untapped. 
> GR is expressive, in-your-face density. Like the greatest of
> German expressionists. Munch?
> Against the Day is the work of a magician of concealment.
> One of the greatest landscape artists
> Ever---Turner with light writ so large it covers walls.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Rich Clavey <antizoyd at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> > Exactly. It was those mind expanding sentences in GR
> that when I read one I had to mentally catch my breath and
> wonder in amazement. And they were just piled one on top of
> another, seemingly, in that book. You can see glimpses of
> that kind of writing in his later books (especially
> M&D), but only here and there. I think revisiting that
> kind of dense connected writing is what I always hope for in
> a new Pynchon book. How many times can one read IV? After
> reading GR some 6 or 7 times I still read it with a newly
> born excitement. 
> > Here's to hoping.
> > Rich
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> > --- On Tue, 4/16/13, kelber at mindspring.com
> <kelber at mindspring.com>
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> > From: kelber at mindspring.com
> <kelber at mindspring.com>
> > Subject: Re: First Page of Bleeding Edge?
> > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2013, 5:11 PM
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> p{margin:0px;}What's missing the most from VL, IV, and this
> early fragment of the new novel, are those mind-expanding
> sentences and passages that take you in multiple directions:
> organic chemistry tied to fascism, literacy as oppression,
> etc. Pynchon's not our go-to person for apt descriptions of
> hippie California or Yuppie NYC - plenty of sources
> there.  What made him great before the existence of the
> internet - his ability to see connections, and take us
> places we might never get on our own - are less exciting in
> the present, when all of us have the ability to become
> demi-gods, accessing information, if not insight, by tapping
> in to the nearest search engine. I'm not dismissing the new
> novel on the basis of that one excerpt. It may or may not be
> typical of the entire work. I sincerely hope it's not.
> > Laura
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> > Write what you want, of course, but these Norman
> Rockwell images (I think first tossed in here by Millison)
> of TP and Jackson (wearing Yankee caps, Pynch teaching
> Jackson how to tie a fly) are retch provoking.  For all
> anybody knows he whipped the brat with a belt for failing to
> memorize the entirety of COL49.
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> > Nothing like the Great P. who rode the Golem & the
> Rocket, who Wrote those other tomes, but so very dear and,
> yes Mark, Warm & Intimate, affectionate as if Jackson
> was peaking at an early draft of his father's work for the
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> > From: Lemuel Underwing <luunderwing at gmail.com>
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> > To: Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
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> > Cc: Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com>;
> Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>;
> jamie <jamie at bigdada.com>;
> Henry Musikar <scuffling at gmail.com>;
> “pynchon-l at waste.or
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> > Nothing like the Great P. who rode the Golem & the
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> > On 4/16/13, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
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> >> On 4/16/13, Tyler Wilson <tbsqrd at hotmail.com>
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