NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

[Bekah]

Sorry -  should have said "...the reality is that *if* he did do this…" 

Bekah

On Apr 24, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Bekah <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> My compassion for him (feeling sorry,  forgiving, etc.)  offers no exemption from the reality that he did do this and there are consequences which imo would include life in a max security prison - these are not conflicting ideas.     I'm totally opposed to the death penalty - a government should not be killing its own citizens,  but some of them sure do need to be put away.  
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> Bekah
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> On Apr 24, 2013, at 2:07 AM, Matthew Cissell <macissell at yahoo.es> wrote:
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>> Try feeling sorry for the dead and maimed.
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>> You make your bed and you sleep in it. He's 19 and he'll have to live and die with the consequences of actions. No sympathy.
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>> mc otis
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>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> To: "bandwraith at aol.com" <bandwraith at aol.com> 
>> Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" <pynchon-l at waste.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
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>> Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I feel sorry for him.
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>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, wrote:
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
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>> Sorry, mal, I must have over looked this last evening.
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>> It is so hard to see anything good or even human in the actions of the Tsarnaev brothers. Trying to understanding them seems alomost self-hating. Your "Who knew?"- more about my simplistic testosterone comment- seems really more to the point about Dzhokhar's persona. Of all the people who did know him and interact with him prior to the horrendus events, that I heard interviewed, not one of them could believe he could have been capable of such a monstrous lack of empathy. He seems truly Other than "We."
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>> The system may put him to death, or no, we'll see, but that's all after the fact. What new barometers will be devised, and how will they be applied, for measuring the potential danger of people who otherwise seem so normal? I find the prospects troubling.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: malignd malignd at aol.com
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 22, 2013 6:28 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
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>> <<I think many agree- physically, he's not hard to look at.>>
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>> He's a murderer but hey! he's cute!  And sociable!  Cut the kid some slack!
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>> <<Men, in general, are more prone to aggression and violence, much of that due testosterone.>>
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>> Who knew?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 6:14 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
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>> Dzhokhar is especially troubling and difficult to understand. I think many agree- physically, he's not hard to look at. From what I've read and heard, he's bright and sociable. He seemed to have alot going for him. Maybe there is more about him that will come out. Until then, it's an enigma.
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>> Men, in general, are more prone to aggression and violence, much of that due testosterone. It's tough to say whether background checks would have been useful in this case, but they might have been, given the older brother's encounter with the FBI. Of course, that's part of the reason why extremists of any stripe are resisting them.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 4:57 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
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>> It's much easier politically to connect the Boston Marathon bombers with al Qaeda-style terrorism, than to connect them to the mentally ill (i.e. without apparent ideology) gunmen from Columbine to Newton. But surely young men who amass huge arsenals of weapons, for whatever reason, must have some psychological similarities.
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>> Laura
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: bandwraith at aol.com 
>> Sent: Apr 21, 2013 4:48 PM 
>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org 
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance? 
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>> Interesting. The motives and methods of Al Qaeda could certainly use better explanation then I, at least, have been able to come across. It's been sort of like the caution not to speculate on the motives and rationales of Hitler for fear of making him appear sympathetic, or at least human. Get more mileage from a Defense and National Security funding perspective by painting Al Qaeda as pure evil- beyond understanding, rather than trying to understand them, which might lead to counter strategies that actually work. But my liberal skirt is showing...
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>> To: Bandwraith at aol.com <bandwraith at aol.com>
>> Cc: “pynchon-l at waste.or 
>> g“ <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 3:54 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
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>> john gray wrote an interesting book on al aqaeda
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>> here's a reviewers description of relevance from the Independent
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>> How, th
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