NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

[bandwraith at aol.com]

OK, I' will. And you might try this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422122959.htm



-----Original Message-----
From: Otto <ottosell at googlemail.com>
To: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?


Well, try Vollmann's "Rising Up and Rising Down".

Am 21.04.2013 21:05 schrieb <bandwraith at aol.com>:

I agree. These issues are complex and morally challenging, and require work to sort out. It's not just a matter of the politically expedient: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," for example, is not necessarily true. 



-----Original Message-----
From: kelber <kelber at mindspring.com>
To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 21, 2013 10:47 am
Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?


What's stupid? The idea that there can be many disparate reasons to oppose 
odernity, in its latest incarnation - the megacorporation?  I didn't say that 
acifists and al Qaeda, or that feminists and religious fundamentalists are 
omrades-in-arms - they can't be. But in a world where nation-states are going 
ankrupt, where Nature (water, the genetic code) is being privatized, where 
ormerly democratic bodies are being bought off, where slavery (sex slaves, 
hild labor, prison labor immigrant internment camps) is a significant 
ontributor to world "prosperity," there are bound to be some strange bedfellows 
n opposition. Who's opposed to sex slavery, for example? Feminists and 
eligious fundamentalists who think women should be kept veiled and locked up.
Laura

----Original Message-----
From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
Sent: Apr 21, 2013 8:51 AM
To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

Wha?

You can't be serious. This is stupid.

> On the other side, all those who hate the Globocracy: political progressives
> (who can get confused, because they're fighting against people who support
> many of the progressive issues they feel most passionate about),
> environmentalists, supporters of human rights, pacifists, humanists,
> Christian wingnuts, fascists, rightwing nationalists, Muslim
> fundamentalists, Orthodox Jews, and racists and hate-mongerers of all
> stripes. Much as I loathe who's lumped into this side, it's the side I most
> support. It's clearly the losing side. Pynchon, with his romanticizing of
> indigenous cultures, his disgust at colonialism, clearly falls into this
> side.



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