NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?

[rich]

at the least he should have to listen daily to audio/video loops of
that poor little boy's joyous smile and happy cries

On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 8:07 AM,  <bandwraith at aol.com> wrote:
> Thank you-  inspired by your fortitude and equanimity.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 11:35 pm
> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>
> Nice Response.
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> 3>
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> On Friday, April 26, 2013, wrote:
>>
>> It might depend on how Dz comports himself from here on, and on the
>> sensibilities of some of his victims. Speculating on the path that some of
>> these unfortunate individuals take to heal is just that, speculation. I'm
>> not sure what, if any, experience you've had with unexpected trauma, but I
>> can tell you it has profound psychological effects in addition to the more
>> obvious physical ones. Overcoming the psychological effects is often the
>> more difficult part.
>>
>> You might be surprised to learn that some of the more successful patients,
>> in these instances, are those that can learn to let go of their hatred,
>> anger and fear of what or whomever was responsible, and learn to forgive. At
>> the very least, those that allow themselves to accept the possibility that
>> the casual agent is capable of remorse for his actions, and then to accept
>> or reject that, depending on their own sensibilities, provides a therapeutic
>> option for some to gain a sense of control over their torment. The needs of
>> patients in these circumstances are quite varied and complex. The literature
>> is on the topic of trauma/PTSD and forgiveness is quite extensive. Forced
>> forgiveness can be as damaging a strategy as over-emphasis on revenge. It's
>> an individual thing, and not infrequently a patient's method of Post
>> Traumatic Growth (PTG) will evolve through various contradictory phases.
>>
>> Whether or not that wrankles your particular sense of righteousness really
>> has no bearing on the outcome of their individual struggles.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 6:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>>
>> I think, given time spent staring at the stumps where there legs used to
>> be and thinking about the wanton cruelty of the act that was the cause, they
>> will reach no such sympathy for young Mr. loved and beloved.  Just an
>> excitable boy.
>>
>> But I think given time many of them will eventually reach a similar
>> sympathy for Dz.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 5:48 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>>
>> I'd say grumpy old man fits better than senility ("Get off my lawn!").
>>
>> By everyone's account that knew him intimately, the kid was loved and
>> loved back.  The influence of his less adapted 8 years older brother seems
>> to have derailed him.  Dz was w/o any other family in the US.  So he was
>> very venerable to Big Bros influence.  His identity as a refugee from
>> Chetchnia, with all its own tragedy was used to derail his newer American
>> identity.  His parents don't seem so stable either.
>>
>> My balls have nothing to do with these sympathies. Would expressing
>> sympathy for Dz's downfall to his victims be "ballsy?"  No.  It would be
>> stupid.  But I think given time many of them will eventually reach a similar
>> sympathy for Dz.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2013, wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps.  If creeping senility is my problem, there's probably little I
>> can do for it.  But what exactly are you saying?  This person planted a bomb
>> meant to maim people -- and succeeded handsomely -- and you feel sorry for
>> him?  What exactly are you trying to say?  Again, I suggest you go express
>> your sorrow to the victims. A hypothetical, clearly, but would you have the
>> balls?  I doubt it ...
>>
>> You are increasingly sounding like Clint Eastwood talking to a chair.
>> Just sayin'
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> To: malignd <malignd at aol.com>
>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Fri, Apr 26, 2013 1:12 am
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>>
>> You are increasingly sounding like Clint Eastwood talking to a chair.
>> Just sayin'
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2013, wrote:
>>
>> You feel sorry for this piece of shit?  Maybe you should travel to Boston
>> and express your feelings to those limbless victims he intentionally
>> destroyed.  Fuck you.
>>
>> Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I
>> feel sorry for him.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> To: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
>> Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:58 pm
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>>
>> Dz seems a tragic consequence of big brother/father cult influence.  I
>> feel sorry for him.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, wrote:
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bandwraith <bandwraith at aol.com>
>> To: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am
>> Subject: Re: NP? modernity, terrorism, truth and relevance?
>>
>> Sorry, mal, I must have over looked this last evening.
>>
>> It is so hard to see anything good or even human in the actions of the
>> Tsarnaev brothers. Trying to understanding them seems alomost self-hating.
>> Your "W