A day that lives in infamy

[David Morris]

Lesson the US hasn't yet learned.
Our  "influence" is often our source of failure.  Egypt now our new test.

On Thursday, August 15, 2013, rich wrote:

> in more ways than one. US meddling in Cambodia's affairs led to the horror
> of the Khmer Rouge, which ironically was deposed finally by the Vietnamese
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> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:55 PM, <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
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> Not before he destroyed a neutral Cambodia with illegal carpet bombing try
> to win the war
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> He ... left Vietnam  in accession to pubic sentiment.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 1:16 am
> Subject: Re: A day that lives in infamy
>
>  Nixon, slimy turd that he was,  still believed the voters could turn  on a
> president and that power alone would not deter the results. He passed the clean
> air act and left Vietnam  in accession to pubic sentiment. Now it feels as if
> there is no sense of accountability. The management of the media is such  a fine
> art that neither party feels compelled to truly heed public opinion.
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
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> > We will always have Nixon to kick around, that slimy turd.
> > NY Review of Books @nybooks 11m
> > On the anniversary of Nixon’s resignation, readings by Gore Vidal, Norman
> Mailer, Garry Wills, and Mary McCarthy http://j.mp/11Sioge
> >
> > From: "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
> > To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 2:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: A day that lives in infamy
> >
> > But one thing we still had back then was a relatively independent press, with
> genuine investigative journalists who helped expose the Watergate affair. Ford's
> pardon was a disgrace, of course, but I'm not convinced that it was the first
> step in the road to the current level of NSA surveillance and the trampling of
> the civil rights of voters, poor people and whistleblowers. The consolidation of
> the major news outlets and the systematic buying out of government (not just US)
> by corporate interests, via lobbying and manipulations of existing laws, had
> already begun. It wasn't caused by Ford's pardon, or by Nixon's famous
> megalomania. If Nixon had served time, along with various of his minions, would
> we be living in a flourishing democracy now? Even if Nixon had been a passionate
> democrat and pacifist, the powers-that-be would have replaced him, inevitably,
> with a Reagan. The really overt, opening battle cry, the real day of infamy,
> that got us where we are today, was Reagan's 1981 declaration of war against the
> PATCO workers, which opened up the floodgates of union busting. It was a
> corporate test case on what the American people would swallow. And boy did they
> swallow!
> >
> > Laura
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Livingston
> > Sent: Aug 9, 2013 12:31 PM
> > To: alice wellintown
> > Cc: pynchon -l
> > Subject: Re: A day that lives in infamy
> >
> > I was quite young at the time, it was just prior to my 18th birthday, and I
> recall the glee and relief around Minneapolis, where I was living at the time.
> People among my group of counter-culture drop-out types were mighty happy, we
> began to dream that the politicians had been served notice, that they would now
> recognize that they were the servants of the people. Nobody really knew what it
> was all about, only that "we" had taken down the President of the United States.
> While it's true that had it not been for the popular groundswell the
> investigation might have turned out quite differently, the delusion remained
> until September 8, 1974, which I count as the day the government officially
> announced its status as an agency independent of the will of the people, and the
> beginning of all that happened after. But for this one month we had our little
> dream, the people had the power, as Patti Smith later said, to redeem the work
> of fools.
> >
> >
> > On
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