war lies from the Ministry of Truth?

[malignd at aol.com]

Care to elaborate on this dubious statistic?  


Over half of all suicides have been soldiers. 





-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth?


If all military enterprises had to be funded and staffed by the participants 
with no taxpayer help that would be a real test of what is in the common 
interest. 
 Over half of all suicides have been soldiers. 
On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Bekah wrote:

> If we want to get into a real "founding fathers" mentality it might be 
suggested we send a few million gun-owners over there in lieu of a "standing 
army."    But that's probably 1776 fathers - by 1800 times had changed already.  

> 
> For more along these lines see Rachel Maddow's "Drift: The Unmooring of 
American Military Power"  (2012)
> 
> Bekah
> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 7:17 AM, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The British have come up with a novel idea - democratic decision-making. How 
about at least letting our not-very-democratic Congress vote on whether to spend 
a few stray billion bombarding Syria for vague reasons, in order to teach that 
government a lesson, while maintaining it in power?  Or is that too Founding 
Fatheri-sh and old-school democratic for America to swallow?
>> 
>> LK
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: David Morris 
>> Sent: Aug 30, 2013 7:59 AM 
>> To: "kelber at mindspring.com" 
>> Cc: "pynchon-l at waste.org" 
>> Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth? 
>> 
>> http://www.juancole.com/2013/08/british-parliament-defects.html
>> The case of Obama and Cameron against the Syrian government has some holes, 
but it isn’t a bad case. But it involves murky allegations of weapons of mass 
destruction use by an Arab regime, and a unilateral Anglo-American shock and awe 
aerial attack. It looks way too much like Iraq, and there is no telling where it 
might lead. Britain is not very far from Syria and the repercussions of an 
attack could be significant. Britain also has a significant Muslim minority 
population that is die hard set against an attack on Syria.
>> The vote puts President Obama between a rock and a hard place. The formerly 
solid Anglo-American solidarity has been broken. Obama does not have the Arab 
League and he does not have the UN Security Council. He does not even have a 
consensus on the European continent.
>> Obama should pivot now and choose vigorous diplomacy over a military strike. 
The latter will now have no legitimacy in international law, and would not be 
supported even by the British parliament.
>> The duplicity of Bush and Blair has deeply injured faith in government, even 
on the part of members of government. Their use of the high-flown rhetoric of 
protecting helpless populations from tyrants and deflecting dire threats of WMD 
cheapened those endeavors and trivialized them They bent the sword of state and 
rendered it useless in any similar situation.
> 


 
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