war lies from the Ministry of Truth?

[Joseph Tracy]

I got that wrong. Should never do statistics from memory. Here is the accurate number/ratio 
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On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:04 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:

> Care to elaborate on this dubious statistic?  
> Over half of all suicides have been soldiers. 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 3:19 pm
> Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth?
> 
> If all military enterprises had to be funded and staffed by the participants 
> with no taxpayer help that would be a real test of what is in the common 
> interest. 
>  Over half of all suicides have been soldiers. 
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Bekah wrote:
> 
> > If we want to get into a real "founding fathers" mentality it might be 
> suggested we send a few million gun-owners over there in lieu of a "standing 
> army."    But that's probably 1776 fathers - by 1800 times had changed already.  
> 
> > 
> > For more along these lines see Rachel Maddow's "Drift: The Unmooring of 
> American Military Power"  (2012)
> > 
> > Bekah
> > 
> > 
> > On Aug 30, 2013, at 7:17 AM, 
> kelber at mindspring.com
>  wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> The British have come up with a novel idea - democratic decision-making. How 
> about at least letting our not-very-democratic Congress vote on whether to spend 
> a few stray billion bombarding Syria for vague reasons, in order to teach that 
> government a lesson, while maintaining it in power?  Or is that too Founding 
> Fatheri-sh and old-school democratic for America to swallow?
> >> 
> >> LK
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: David Morris 
> >> Sent: Aug 30, 2013 7:59 AM 
> >> To: "
> kelber at mindspring.com
> " 
> >> Cc: "
> pynchon-l at waste.org
> " 
> >> Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth? 
> >> 
> >> 
> http://www.juancole.com/2013/08/british-parliament-defects.html
> 
> >> The case of Obama and Cameron against the Syrian government has some holes, 
> but it isn’t a bad case. But it involves murky allegations of weapons of mass 
> destruction use by an Arab regime, and a unilateral Anglo-American shock and awe 
> aerial attack. It looks way too much like Iraq, and there is no telling where it 
> might lead. Britain is not very far from Syria and the repercussions of an 
> attack could be significant. Britain also has a significant Muslim minority 
> population that is die hard set against an attack on Syria.
> >> The vote puts President Obama between a rock and a hard place. The formerly 
> solid Anglo-American solidarity has been broken. Obama does not have the Arab 
> League and he does not have the UN Security Council. He does not even have a 
> consensus on the European continent.
> >> Obama should pivot now and choose vigorous diplomacy over a military strike. 
> The latter will now have no legitimacy in international law, and would not be 
> supported even by the British parliament.
> >> The duplicity of Bush and Blair has deeply injured faith in government, even 
> on the part of members of government. Their use of the high-flown rhetoric of 
> protecting helpless populations from tyrants and deflecting dire threats of WMD 
> cheapened those endeavors and trivialized them They bent the sword of state and 
> rendered it useless in any similar situation.
> > 
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