war lies from the Ministry of Truth?

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Many artists are and were repugnant human beings.


And please explain how and when language became no more than a commodity, highlighting why this is the result of a "unification" of state and corporate interests.


These issues are not just political but directly affect the arts and many great 
artists are powerful moral , philosophical, social and political thinkers.


The 

current tendencies of state unification with corporate interests  rob language  
and image of importance as anything other than a commodity. 





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From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
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Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth?


It is equally hard to argue that states should have no practical, evidence based 
or moral accountability and it has historically proved far more dangerous. 
 
Do citizens have any responsibility in your thinking? Should the people of the 
world passively accept whatever fate comes from state policies?  It seems to me 
this attitude would rob the world of the heroic pursuits of human justice which 
also mark the human story and have many beneficial results.  To claim this 
heritage is everyone's right.

These issues are not just political but directly affect the arts and many great 
artists are powerful moral , philosophical, social and political thinkers. The 
current tendencies of state unification with corporate interests  rob language  
and image of importance as anything other than a commodity.  I am simply not 
ready to concede that resistance is futile., or that a better future is not 
possible through a renunciation of war and eco rape.  









On Aug 30, 2013, at 11:19 AM, rich wrote:

> I hardly would condone what states do to each other and peoples but it's hard 
to argue that such states should act like moral actors. Most of us can't be 
moral actors, hardly think states can. there's a constant push/pull but 
reactions against state sponsored violence will also be that, reactive. and 
there should be outcry and disgust. But it seems to me we're always fighting one 
step behind events. I'm no more angry at the actions of the U.S. than any other. 
It's a state like any other. we just believe our rhetoric and bullshit more. 
It's all rather sad. 
> 
> rich
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/08/30-3
> 
> Article by Robert Fisk addressing ulterior motives in Syria( that hey are ally 
of Iran, who we are actively trying to cripple)  and a brief history of US 
tolerated war crimes in the region.
> 


 

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