war lies from the Ministry of Truth?

[Keith Davis]

So if we could just get all the politicians into the military...


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> I got that wrong. Should never do statistics from memory. Here is the
> accurate number/ratio
> Democracy Now  Report: Veterans Commit Suicide at Double Rate of Civilian
> Population
>
> A new investigation by News21 has found U.S. veterans are killing
> themselves at more than double the rate of the civilian population. About
> 49,000 veterans took their own lives between 2005 and 2011. Nearly one in
> every five suicides nationally is a veteran, even though veterans make up
> only about 10 percent of the U.S. adult population.
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:04 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Care to elaborate on this dubious statistic?
> > Over half of all suicides have been soldiers.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> > To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Fri, Aug 30, 2013 3:19 pm
> > Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth?
> >
> > If all military enterprises had to be funded and staffed by the
> participants
> > with no taxpayer help that would be a real test of what is in the common
> > interest.
> >  Over half of all suicides have been soldiers.
> > On Aug 30, 2013, at 1:01 PM, Bekah wrote:
> >
> > > If we want to get into a real "founding fathers" mentality it might be
> > suggested we send a few million gun-owners over there in lieu of a
> "standing
> > army."    But that's probably 1776 fathers - by 1800 times had changed
> already.
> >
> > >
> > > For more along these lines see Rachel Maddow's "Drift: The Unmooring of
> > American Military Power"  (2012)
> > >
> > > Bekah
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 7:17 AM,
> > kelber at mindspring.com
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> The British have come up with a novel idea - democratic
> decision-making. How
> > about at least letting our not-very-democratic Congress vote on whether
> to spend
> > a few stray billion bombarding Syria for vague reasons, in order to
> teach that
> > government a lesson, while maintaining it in power?  Or is that too
> Founding
> > Fatheri-sh and old-school democratic for America to swallow?
> > >>
> > >> LK
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: David Morris
> > >> Sent: Aug 30, 2013 7:59 AM
> > >> To: "
> > kelber at mindspring.com
> > "
> > >> Cc: "
> > pynchon-l at waste.org
> > "
> > >> Subject: Re: war lies from the Ministry of Truth?
> > >>
> > >>
> > http://www.juancole.com/2013/08/british-parliament-defects.html
> >
> > >> The case of Obama and Cameron against the Syrian government has some
> holes,
> > but it isn’t a bad case. But it involves murky allegations of weapons of
> mass
> > destruction use by an Arab regime, and a unilateral Anglo-American shock
> and awe
> > aerial attack. It looks way too much like Iraq, and there is no telling
> where it
> > might lead. Britain is not very far from Syria and the repercussions of
> an
> > attack could be significant. Britain also has a significant Muslim
> minority
> > population that is die hard set against an attack on Syria.
> > >> The vote puts President Obama between a rock and a hard place. The
> formerly
> > solid Anglo-American solidarity has been broken. Obama does not have the
> Arab
> > League and he does not have the UN Security Council. He does not even
> have a
> > consensus on the European continent.
> > >> Obama should pivot now and choose vigorous diplomacy over a military
> strike.
> > The latter will now have no legitimacy in international law, and would
> not be
> > supported even by the British parliament.
> > >> The duplicity of Bush and Blair has deeply injured faith in
> government, even
> > on the part of members of government. Their use of the high-flown
> rhetoric of
> > protecting helpless populations from tyrants and deflecting dire threats
> of WMD
> > cheapened those endeavors and trivialized them They bent the sword of
> state and
> > rendered it useless in any similar situation.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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