(np) New Pope?

[Paul Mackin]

On 2/13/2013 11:31 AM, Ian Livingston wrote:
> Paul M says: Sex is such an enormously big deal in the West--and seems 
> to get bigger the more it is used to sell products.  Zen comes in 
> >from the East and sort of upsets the applecart as it were.  Does 
> anyone else wonder about all of this?
>
> Big in the West? India and China alone account nearly 1/3 of the human 
> population currently living on Earth. India being the birthplace of 
> Buddhism, and China the birthplace of Chan which became Zen upon its 
> walkabout to Japan. Seems to me they take sex pretty seriously. The 
> Japanese have some pretty wacky sex trips going on.
>
> Sex is big in the West because anti-sex is big in the West. The 
> Puritans put the hex on sex with their biblical insecurities, and the 
> Catholics--well, as Zappa noted, Catholics are notoriously horny, what 
> can you say? I rather think it has more to do with when and where 
> people develop sufficient emotional intelligence to differentiate 
> between the need for a good bowel movement or a better diet and the 
> desire to ejaculate that determines their susceptibility to sexual 
> messages or temptations. You can be a spiritual leader and still have 
> little emotional intelligence. Many Buddhist sangha, like their 
> Catholic counterparts, live apart from the other sex and the cesspool 
> of modern media from youth, before they have a chance to develop any 
> understanding of sex. They are naive and horny and they have few 
> defenses against their own impulses other than prayer and 
> masturbation. One must know the appetites before they can control 
> them. And then there's the latin gift of machismo, according to which 
> conviction it is better to have several families with a number of 
> different women than to suffer the unmanly humiliation of sexual 
> deprivation because of inconvenient offspring.


Good answer.

Next question: What is to be done?  (in a non regulatory. anarchistic 
manner)

Second question:  Is the enormous damage done to children when subjected 
to sexual activity (testified to by psychologists who treat them) 
inherent in the the vulnerabilities in the  immature human animal, or is 
it due in some significant part at least to the attitudes of adults?  I  
know I'm treading on dangerous ground here.

Not to draw any kind of direct comparison, but I was struck by the 
experiences of the women who were touched or asked for sexual favors by 
their beloved zen teacher.  Much of the woe came after they reported the 
unwanted contacts to others.  It turned out to be more about the 
disrespect shown the master than about violation of the student.

P


> (testified to by the psychologists who treat them
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net 
> <mailto:mackin.paul at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>     On 2/13/2013 8:03 AM, Monte Davis wrote:
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>>     Not that the Times had contributed anything to the buildup of
>>     Joshu Sasaki:
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>>     http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/us/09zen.html
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>>     Several Mahayana teachers have been important to me over the
>>     years,  but there’s one lama I would never trust alone in a room
>>     with eclairs or cannoli.
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>>     *From:*owner-pynchon-l at waste.org
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>>     [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] *On Behalf Of *Keith Davis
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:57 PM
>>     *To:* David Morris
>>     *Cc:* Markekohut; malignd at aol.com <mailto:malignd at aol.com>;
>>     pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>     *Subject:* Re: (np) New Pope?
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>>     How about this?
>>     http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/world/asia/zen-buddhists-roiled-by-accusations-against-teacher.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130212
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>>     On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>     http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/opinion/the-pope-could-still-right-the-wrongs.html?ref=opinion
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>>     Still, Benedict has one last chance to right some of the wrongs
>>     of the recent past by forcing out Cardinal Angelo Sodano
>>     <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/angelo_sodano/index.html?inline=nyt-per>,
>>     the dean of the College of Cardinals and the man who, more than
>>     any other, embodies the misuse of power that has corrupted the
>>     church hierarchy.
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>>     [...]
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>>     But Cardinal Sodano ranks with the Los Angeles Cardinal Roger
>>     Mahony as an egregious practitioner of the cover up. As John Paul
>>     II’s secretary of state, he pressured Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger,
>>     the future Pope Benedict, in two notorious cases.
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>>     In 1995, Cardinal Hans Hermann Groër resigned as archbishop of
>>     Vienna, trailed by accusations, soon proven, that he had abused
>>     young men. Cardinal Ratzinger wanted the pope to speak out;
>>     Cardinal Sodano overruled him.
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>>     Cardinal Sodano also pressured Cardinal Ratzinger to abort a case
>>     filed in 1998 by several men accusing the Rev. Marcial Maciel
>>     Degollado, founder of the Legionaries of Christ, of abusing them
>>     as seminarians. Cardinal Sodano was a longtime beneficiary of
>>     money and favors from Father Maciel. Priests who left the order
>>     told me he received at least $15,000 in cash.
>>
>>                 He was personally involved in protecting pedophiles.
>>                  I hope he rots.
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