Discuss

[Joseph Tracy]

Oh , your parents knew exactly how to do all that parenting with no guesses, to trying thisorthat, and the same with school, they know how it's to be done and are to be given perfect marks on their well aranged graveyards and complete lack of failure. And do you have children and there is no experimenting it's all explained at the College litclass follies and the whorehouses on every corner. And the food is safe as milk with no carcinogens or hormonal Ms steaks.  And how do you react to signals from the falling reich and all the lovely bombsaway.  What makes the holy pecker pray today , in the valley of the known and completely non expuerile  mental? 

I on the other hang am impure as a fart who gnaws not where the wind lists. So is every wang and twangette that is born of the spirit.
On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:47 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:

> We are not all the semi-famous Baby Tyrone who was handed over to be the subject of experimentation.  Certanly I wasn't.  You, I don 't know ...
> We are all experimented on as children.
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> > Your fault with Slothrup's disappearance is too literal.  He transcends his 
> creators by evaporating into the void,  Pointsman's biggest fear was the golum, 
> the experiment gone awry.  Rogue.  So they would rather kill it than lose 
> control of it.  Slothrup  evades, but not before becoming a Buddha.
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> > On Saturday, February 9, 2013, wrote:
> > Don't really believe in any sort of deterministic Fate - there are too many 
> incalculable and unpredictable variables.  At any rate, I'd say that what 
> happens in Slothrop's life has more to do with the fact that he was experimented 
> on as a baby, than anything to do with his friendly, and smart but hedonistic 
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> > Laura
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> We are all experimented on as children. How could it be otherwise? My feeling is 
> that the particular artificiality, the human as behavioral, chemical experiment 
> aspect of Slothrop represents the tinkering of the larger system with systems of 
> control and information feedback. It shows how deep the inward incursions of 
> that model will go. Slothrop's story shows the roots of this thinking in 
> Calvinism, Pharisaic notions of God's control of history, or more recently of 
> science as simply technos for the colonial enterprise.   But all the time this 
> theme is being developed there is the clear and both delightful and terrifying 
> story of the thousand ways this system has gone awry, has lost control,  and 
> cannot guide or predict anything but explosives up its own ass.  Slothrop is 
> like  particles of light that seem to illumine the pattern of attack, a tool 
> which properly used may provide escape from death itself, but the more the self 
> appointed experimenters know of his rocket man velocity( velocity which may be 
> approaching a kind of escape velocity) the less is known about where or even 
> whether he is. Where isn't he? Who isn't he? Which part of his time is lesser or 
> greater or unconnectable from any other part of his time. Why does he want to 
> escape control?  
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> I am dubious about fate too. We may be free whether we like it or not. But can 
> we leave the cave and see something more like the fullness of the world, wake 
> up, make ourselves at home, make peace with our freedom, learn to play rather 
> than kill.
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