Discuss

[Joseph Tracy]

 I t seems like an odd result considering the other effects on Slothrop.  A chemical leap from predicitive peckerization to disappearance/dissolution ? If the ultimate result is to make someone diasappear is it supposed to be a stand-in for Zyklon b?  That reading goes pretty dark  and might be plausible in GR, but it seems to me it would be a confirmation of the fantasy of control and successful experiments and these experiments are going out of control.  I think the chemistry is more like LSD and the  intention of MK ultra mind control, but which had very different results including an amplification of the anti-nuclear and anti-war movements.

On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:36 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:

> Yes, or no, probably yes.  My point was only that there is a trail of clues to suggest that Slothrop's disappearance is not merely allegorical or whatever.  P offers an explanation that, in the world of the book, is actual. That's my position, in any case.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:54 am
> Subject: Re: Discuss
> 
> Formalist Criticism or a close reading supports the traditional and
> pluralistic reading, so Slothrop may be an Everyman, or an alegorical
> figure, an Invisible Man, who, ironically, once his white-washing is
> wasted, becomes a crossroads and, other things too, but Invisible
> nonetheless. Formalist will not insist that Slothrop is a character in
> an Object, a book, at the exclusion of the Psychological, Historical,
> Biographical Etc...readings. So, both/and here. No?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Keith Davis <
> kbob42 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
> > Isn't an experiment something intentional?
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM, <
> malignd at aol.com
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> In which case, none of us is a Slothrop in that none of us is a singular
> >> case.  We are all victims of the same experiment.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ian Livingston <
> igrlivingston at gmail.com
> >
> >> To: Paul Mackin <
> mackin.paul at verizon.net
> >
> >> Cc: pynchon-l <
> pynchon-l at waste.org
> >
> >> Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:42 am
> >> Subject: Re: Discuss
> >>
> >> Ours is the first generation in human history to be raised consuming
> >> petrochemicals in the midst of almost uninterrupted nuclear fallout. What
> >> makes you think you haven't been experimented upon is called denial in the
> >> psychoanalytic parlance.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Paul Mackin <
> mackin.paul at verizon.net
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2/12/2013 11:14 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM,  <
> malignd at aol.com
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We are not all the semi-famous Baby Tyrone who was handed over to be
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> subject of experimentation.  Certanly I wasn't.  You, I don 't know ...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We are all experimented on as children.
> >>>>>
> >>>> well, as a lad, my cousin experimented on me by putting my finger in a
> >>>> vise and tightening it until I got a blood blister.  Setting a
> >>>> lifelong pattern, I stood there amiably and bemusedly, almost savoring
> >>>> the feeling, until he tired of the experiment and opened the vise.
> >>>>
> >>>> Somehow our parents got word of it - I don't remember making a fuss -
> >>>> and he was administered gentle verbal correction -- another
> >>>> experiment, nobody knows how that sort of thing will turn out, but he
> >>>> grew up to be a kindly adult with whom I converse fearlessly.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> My younger sister once rendered me semiconscious swinging a stringed
> >>> pupet around in the air.  Hard ceramic material of some sort. I never told
> >>> on her of course.
> >>>
> >>> P
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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