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[David Morris]

By victimized, I mean programmed and manufactured for Their purposes.  So
when he goes rogue, he is still acting or reacting according to that
programming.

On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:

> Excellent. So, we are also victimized, but we might stumble into, what?
> What are the powers that we might stumble into, or that might overtake us,
> or become available to us, if we stumble out of "their control"? What a
> great fucking book!
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'fqmorris at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> But remember, he was victimized.  So stumbling might not be so random.
>>  He learned being controlled very early on.  It's when he slipped from
>> their control, into The Zone, that They wanted him dead.  He was a loose
>> golem, stumbling with new powers.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Without reading the ending again, which is what has to happen to be
>>> clear about this, my impression is that Slothrop escaped from the idea of
>>> owning a personal identity, though it didn't have much to do with his
>>> making any effort to do so, it just happened organically as a result of the
>>> experiences he went through. Escaped isn't a good description. Fell from
>>> it? Leapt from it?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or could Slothrop be an everyman and a made up somebody at the very
>>>> same time?
>>>> On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In which case, none of us is a Slothrop in that none of us is a
>>>> singular case.  We are all victims of the same experiment.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>>>> > Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> > Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:42 am
>>>> > Subject: Re: Discuss
>>>> >
>>>> > Ours is the first generation in human history to be raised consuming
>>>> petrochemicals in the midst of almost uninterrupted nuclear fallout. What
>>>> makes you think you haven't been experimented upon is called denial in the
>>>> psychoanalytic parlance.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > On 2/12/2013 11:14 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> > We are not all the semi-famous Baby Tyrone who was handed over to be
>>>> the
>>>> > subject of experimentation.  Certanly I wasn't.  You, I don 't know
>>>> ...
>>>> >
>>>> > We are all experimented on as children.
>>>> >
>>>> > well, as a lad, my cousin experimented on me by putting my finger in a
>>>> > vise and tightening it until I got a blood blister.  Setting a
>>>> > lifelong pattern, I stood there amiably and bemusedly, almost savoring
>>>> > the feeling, until he tired of the experiment and opened the vise.
>>>> >
>>>> > Somehow our parents got word of it - I don't remember making a fuss -
>>>> > and he was administered gentle verbal correction -- another
>>>> > experiment, nobody knows how that sort of thing will turn out, but he
>>>> > grew up to be a kindly adult with whom I converse fearlessly.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > My younger sister once rendered me semiconscious swinging a stringed
>>>> pupet around in the air.  Hard ceramic material of some sort. I never told
>>>> on her of course.
>>>> >
>>>> > P
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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