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[Keith Davis]

Yes,  but he sorta goes off the grid? Maybe he sees through the
programming, which is a kind of freedom from it?

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:07 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> By victimized, I mean programmed and manufactured for Their purposes.  So
> when he goes rogue, he is still acting or reacting according to that
> programming.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>
>> Excellent. So, we are also victimized, but we might stumble into, what?
>> What are the powers that we might stumble into, or that might overtake us,
>> or become available to us, if we stumble out of "their control"? What a
>> great fucking book!
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> But remember, he was victimized.  So stumbling might not be so random.
>>>  He learned being controlled very early on.  It's when he slipped from
>>> their control, into The Zone, that They wanted him dead.  He was a loose
>>> golem, stumbling with new powers.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Without reading the ending again, which is what has to happen to be
>>>> clear about this, my impression is that Slothrop escaped from the idea of
>>>> owning a personal identity, though it didn't have much to do with his
>>>> making any effort to do so, it just happened organically as a result of the
>>>> experiences he went through. Escaped isn't a good description. Fell from
>>>> it? Leapt from it?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Or could Slothrop be an everyman and a made up somebody at the very
>>>>> same time?
>>>>> On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > In which case, none of us is a Slothrop in that none of us is a
>>>>> singular case.  We are all victims of the same experiment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>>>>> > Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:42 am
>>>>> > Subject: Re: Discuss
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ours is the first generation in human history to be raised consuming
>>>>> petrochemicals in the midst of almost uninterrupted nuclear fallout. What
>>>>> makes you think you haven't been experimented upon is called denial in the
>>>>> psychoanalytic parlance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Paul Mackin <
>>>>> mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> > On 2/12/2013 11:14 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> > We are not all the semi-famous Baby Tyrone who was handed over to be
>>>>> the
>>>>> > subject of experimentation.  Certanly I wasn't.  You, I don 't know
>>>>> ...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We are all experimented on as children.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > well, as a lad, my cousin experimented on me by putting my finger in
>>>>> a
>>>>> > vise and tightening it until I got a blood blister.  Setting a
>>>>> > lifelong pattern, I stood there amiably and bemusedly, almost
>>>>> savoring
>>>>> > the feeling, until he tired of the experiment and opened the vise.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Somehow our parents got word of it - I don't remember making a fuss -
>>>>> > and he was administered gentle verbal correction -- another
>>>>> > experiment, nobody knows how that sort of thing will turn out, but he
>>>>> > grew up to be a kindly adult with whom I converse fearlessly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > My younger sister once rendered me semiconscious swinging a stringed
>>>>> pupet around in the air.  Hard ceramic material of some sort. I never told
>>>>> on her of course.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > P
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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