Discuss

[Joseph Tracy]

Well the They don't like and didn't program the rogue behavior and once you break from a program all bets are off  because the whole community of events and influences are so diverse and interactive with a new direction which has its own peculiar momentum.  I'm not saying behavioral conditioning ceases to apply but there are complications that increase with self awareness and competing programs and living in a complex biosphere and culture( In GR some competing programs are religious and political ideas,Tarot, angels, animal spirits, movies, the counterforce, sympathy/empathy). And ultimately there is fundamental unpredictability at a quantum level.  

To my mind behaviorism is fundamentally a tautological restatement of the mechanistic universe and a  frame of mind that ignores evidence that doesn't fit, or presumes that science will provide a mechanistic explanation for any anomalies. While this provides momentum for understanding mechanics, it risks being fundamentally flawed or self limiting and acting like clever ptolemaic cosmologists in a non ptolemaic universe.   
On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, David Morris wrote:

> By victimized, I mean programmed and manufactured for Their purposes.  So when he goes rogue, he is still acting or reacting according to that programming.
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> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
> Excellent. So, we are also victimized, but we might stumble into, what? What are the powers that we might stumble into, or that might overtake us, or become available to us, if we stumble out of "their control"? What a great fucking book!
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> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:34 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> But remember, he was victimized.  So stumbling might not be so random.  He learned being controlled very early on.  It's when he slipped from their control, into The Zone, that They wanted him dead.  He was a loose golem, stumbling with new powers.
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> On Thursday, February 14, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
> Without reading the ending again, which is what has to happen to be clear about this, my impression is that Slothrop escaped from the idea of owning a personal identity, though it didn't have much to do with his making any effort to do so, it just happened organically as a result of the experiences he went through. Escaped isn't a good description. Fell from it? Leapt from it?
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> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> Or could Slothrop be an everyman and a made up somebody at the very same time?
> On Feb 13, 2013, at 6:00 PM, MalignD at aol.com wrote:
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> > In which case, none of us is a Slothrop in that none of us is a singular case.  We are all victims of the same experiment.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > To: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
> > Cc: pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:42 am
> > Subject: Re: Discuss
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> > Ours is the first generation in human history to be raised consuming petrochemicals in the midst of almost uninterrupted nuclear fallout. What makes you think you haven't been experimented upon is called denial in the psychoanalytic parlance.
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> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
> > On 2/12/2013 11:14 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
> > We are not all the semi-famous Baby Tyrone who was handed over to be the
> > subject of experimentation.  Certanly I wasn't.  You, I don 't know ...
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> > We are all experimented on as children.
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> > well, as a lad, my cousin experimented on me by putting my finger in a
> > vise and tightening it until I got a blood blister.  Setting a
> > lifelong pattern, I stood there amiably and bemusedly, almost savoring
> > the feeling, until he tired of the experiment and opened the vise.
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> > Somehow our parents got word of it - I don't remember making a fuss -
> > and he was administered gentle verbal correction -- another
> > experiment, nobody knows how that sort of thing will turn out, but he
> > grew up to be a kindly adult with whom I converse fearlessly.
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> > My younger sister once rendered me semiconscious swinging a stringed pupet around in the air.  Hard ceramic material of some sort. I never told on her of course.
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