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What was the role of pedantry in the modern mexican rural revolutionaries?

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM, alice wellintown <
alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the Mexican history the urban professionals are Madero Revolution &
> Co., easy enough, but the fantasy of a liberal democracy extends
> beyond the context, beyond Mexico and the event that Frank is in the
> middle of. So, the urban professionals' fantacy is set against the
> rural revolutionary reality. To argue that P sides with the violence
> of the rural revolutionaries because he sides with their revolution is
> a misreading.
>
> But how can these better revolutionaries put away violence and bring
> about the changes that their revolution promised? How do they bring
> down those who used them, betrayed them, and now hold power?
>
> Violence won't get the JOB done.
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I am soon going to complicate this opinion, I think, as I continue to
> post.
> > As with almost everything, he satirizes many stances, and unties the
> knots
> > of a nuanced position.....(which doesn't preclude 'ambiguous'--in
> Empson's
> > sense--nuances and therefore possible 'positions'....
> > I think here he is scoring on 'some urban professionals' who call this
> Mexican-based
> > Revolution, 'liberal democracy.
> >
> > I suggest, flame me now, suchas the Weather Underground and their
> self-justifications for
> > violence are scored here....among others.....
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> > To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: Back to AtD. Back to Frank,
> >
> > This chapter is typical of P's lifting of history; we can certainly
> > identify the author's norms here, his political and historical point
> > of view is evident; this is especicially the case in the phrase "some
> > urban professionals' fanasy of liberal democracy" as this phrase
> > evokes, from P readers, a sardonic wit that is the author's style when
> > he provides commentary, and is  fundamentally Marxists to left-wing
> > Anarchist in view, that is, his take on the historical events lifted
> > from the pages of history, briefly sketeched, are sifted through P's
> > critical sieve to expose the norms he proejects and evokes throught
> > the novel, and these are consistant with the argument that P adopts
> > after GR, as he turns his attention more and more to the stuggle of
> > workers, to labor, and argues that a liberal democracy can not succeed
> > under capitalism because  capitalism is class-based and therefore can
> > never be democratic or even participatory.
> >
> > These are the politics of P. Not difficult to find. His norms are
> > there in the commentary, in his selections of historical events, and,
> > yes, even in his characters, in this case, Frank, who, though a pawn
> > on P's chessboard, is moved on and in the squares of history.
> >
> > Of course, Pynchon is not commenting on Ahab, or Pyncheon, but the
> > tale of land taken, haunted by the ghosts of the oppressed and
> > murdered is more than mere allusion or favorable parody, but directs
> > us to land issues that saturate, still, the geo-political conficts
> > from Mexico to Brazil, and, of course, back to the States, and the
> > lines, signaled up, and cut into the Earth...and so on.
>
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