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[alice wellintown]

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On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM, alice wellintown
<alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hume turns back to the P before AGTD to look for what she missed of
> P's Catholics and discovers much that has been discussed and digested
> by the critical industry, even to the Jesuit who preaches as Pirate
> Passes Over and  she contneds that AGTD, while certainly a light upon
> those earlier christian and catholic themes is no mere continuance of
> Catholic Grace, or Postmodern Catholicism,  but a Metanoia. This, of
> course, is impossible to know till we get more from Pynchon's Letters
> and Essays and the like, but Hume, with the amphasis on the Jesuit,
> suggests, though she only intimates, that a Farewell to Arms, a
> soldier become a Jesuit, who begs for the grace of the Queen, not
> England's but the Churches Queen may be somehow purge the violent life
> of the N/Knight.
>
> A Farewell to Arms (To Queen Elizabeth)
> By George Peele
> 1558?-1597
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> HIS golden locks Time hath to silver turn'd;
>          O Time too swift, O swiftness never ceasing!
> His youth 'gainst time and age hath ever spurn'd,
>          But spurn'd in vain; youth waneth by increasing:
> Beauty, strength, youth, are flowers but fading seen;
> Duty, faith, love, are roots, and ever green.
>
> His helmet now shall make a hive for bees;
>          And, lovers' sonnets turn'd to holy psalms,
> A man-at-arms must now serve on his knees,
>          And feed on prayers, which are Age his alms:
> But though from court to cottage he depart,
> His Saint is sure of his unspotted heart.
>
> And when he saddest sits in homely cell,
>          He'll teach his swains this carol for a song,--
> 'Blest be the hearts that wish my sovereign well,
>          Curst be the souls that think her any wrong.'
> Goddess, allow this aged man his right
> To be your beadsman now that was your knight.
>
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> On 2/23/13, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Speaking of speaking frankly, is that a Sears Pancho, Frank? Or is that a
>> Mexican pun Panho?
>> Or is the P Zapping  with Cozmick Debris?
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>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Disobedience_(Thoreau)
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>> On Friday, February 22, 2013, Bled Welder wrote:
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>>> What was the role of pedantry in the modern mexican rural
>>> revolutionaries?
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>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM, alice wellintown <
>>> alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> In the Mexican history the urban professionals are Madero Revolution &
>>>> Co., easy enough, but the fantasy of a liberal democracy extends
>>>> beyond the context, beyond Mexico and the event that Frank is in the
>>>> middle of. So, the urban professionals' fantacy is set against the
>>>> rural revolutionary reality. To argue that P sides with the violence
>>>> of the rural revolutionaries because he sides with their revolution is
>>>> a misreading.
>>>>
>>>> But how can these better revolutionaries put away violence and bring
>>>> about the changes that their revolution promised? How do they bring
>>>> down those who used them, betrayed them, and now hold power?
>>>>
>>>> Violence won't get the JOB done.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I am soon going to complicate this opinion, I think, as I continue to
>>>> post.
>>>> > As with almost everything, he satirizes many stances, and unties the
>>>> knots
>>>> > of a nuanced position.....(which doesn't preclude 'ambiguous'--in
>>>> Empson's
>>>> > sense--nuances and therefore possible 'positions'....
>>>> > I think here he is scoring on 'some urban professionals' who call this
>>>> Mexican-based
>>>> > Revolution, 'liberal democracy.
>>>> >
>>>> > I suggest, flame me now, suchas the Weather Underground and their
>>>> self-justifications for
>>>> > violence are scored here....among others.....
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>> > Cc:
>>>> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:06 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: Back to AtD. Back to Frank,
>>>> >
>>>> > This chapter is typical of P's lifting of history; we can certainly
>>>> > identify the author's norms here, his political and historical point
>>>> > of view is evident; this is especicially the case in the phrase "some
>>>> > urban professionals' fanasy of liberal democracy" as this phrase
>>>> > evokes, from P readers, a sardonic wit that is the author's style when
>>>> > he provides commentary, and is  fundamentally Marxists to left-wing
>>>> > Anarchist in view, that is, his take on the historical events lifted
>>>> > from the pages of history, briefly sketeched, are sifted through P's
>>>> > critical sieve to expose the norms he proejects and evokes throught
>>>> > the novel, and these are consistant with the argument that P adopts
>>>> > after GR, as he turns his attention more and more to the stuggle of
>>>> > workers, to labor, and argues that a liberal democracy can not succeed
>>>> > under capitalism because  capitalism is class-based and therefore can
>>>> > never be democratic or even participatory.
>>>> >
>>>> > These are the politics of P. Not difficult to find. His norms are
>>>> > there in the commentary, in his selections of historical events, and,
>>>> > yes, even in his characters, in this case, Frank, who, though a pawn
>>>> > on P's chessboard, is moved on and in the squares of history.
>>>> >
>>>> > Of course, Pynchon is not commenting on Ahab, or Pyncheon, but the
>>>> > tale of land taken, haunted by the ghosts of the oppressed and
>>>> > murdered is more than mere allusion or favorable parody, but directs
>>>> > us to land issues that saturate, still, the geo-political conficts
>>>> > from Mexico to Brazil, and, of course, back to the States, and the
>>>> > lines, signaled up, and cut into the Earth...and so on.
>>>>
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