Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

Ian Livingston igrlivingston at gmail.com
Mon Jul 29 09:56:51 CDT 2013


Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem valid, is to
remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the emotional sensation
that is later associated with fear, coupled with the sensation of emotional
resistance to that proto-fear that is later identified as desire.


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even if the
> "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing the sensation of
> fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that precedes a self.
>
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>
>> The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of the
>> fear and desire until we reach the point where we become aware of a"self"
>> as separate from other "selves", where we develop an "individual
>> consciousness".
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The Palace
>>> of the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.  Food, air,
>>> warmth, in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound insulation.
>>>
>>> Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough out
>>> liquid in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of this birth
>>> is traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original Fear."  At about this
>>> same moment we realize we want to keep living.  TNH calls this "Original
>>> Desire."
>>>
>>> I think this was all pre Freud.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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