Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

[Keith Davis]

Agree with both of your responses.


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>wrote:

> Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem valid, is to
> remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the emotional sensation
> that is later associated with fear, coupled with the sensation of emotional
> resistance to that proto-fear that is later identified as desire.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even if the
>> "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing the sensation of
>> fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that precedes a self.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>>
>>> The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of the
>>> fear and desire until we reach the point where we become aware of a"self"
>>> as separate from other "selves", where we develop an "individual
>>> consciousness".
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The Palace
>>>> of the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.  Food, air,
>>>> warmth, in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound insulation.
>>>>
>>>> Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough out
>>>> liquid in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of this birth
>>>> is traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original Fear."  At about this
>>>> same moment we realize we want to keep living.  TNH calls this "Original
>>>> Desire."
>>>>
>>>> I think this was all pre Freud.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>


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