Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

[Keith Davis]

Nisargadatta Maharaj says something like, if you really had a choice, would
you have chosen to be born into this life?


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net> wrote:

> Oh, it’s downhill well before that. Samuel Beckett in a 1970 interview:
> “Even before the foetus can draw breath it is in a state of barrenness and
> of pain. I have a clear memory of my own foetal existence. It was an
> existence where no voice, no possible movement could free me from the agony
> and darkness I was subjected to.”****
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> And in _*Murphy*_, Neary curses the day he was born “and then, in a bold
> flashback, the night he was conceived.”****
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> *From:* owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] *On
> Behalf Of *David Morris
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 11:51 AM
> *To:* Ian Livingston
> *Cc:* Keith Davis; P-list
> *Subject:* Re: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"****
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> Yes. That is a clear way of explaining the root experience and its later
> recognition/identification.
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> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:****
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> Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem valid, is to
> remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the emotional sensation
> that is later associated with fear, coupled with the sensation of emotional
> resistance to that proto-fear that is later identified as desire.****
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> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:*
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> Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even if the
> "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing the sensation of
> fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that precedes a self.****
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> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:****
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> The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of the fear
> and desire until we reach the point where we become aware of a"self" as
> separate from other "selves", where we develop an "individual
> consciousness". ****
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> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:*
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> It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The Palace of
> the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.  Food, air, warmth,
> in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound insulation.****
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> Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough out
> liquid in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of this birth
> is traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original Fear."  At about this
> same moment we realize we want to keep living.  TNH calls this "Original
> Desire."****
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> I think this was all pre Freud.****
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> David Morris****
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