Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

“We have lost, being born, as much as we shall lose dying: Everything!”
Emil Cioran: The Trouble with Being Born

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/117564.The_Trouble_with_Being_Born

On 29.07.2013 19:46, Keith Davis wrote:
> Nisargadatta Maharaj says something like, if you really had a choice, 
> would you have chosen to be born into this life?
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> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net 
> <mailto:montedavis at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>     Oh, it’s downhill well before that. Samuel Beckett in a 1970
>     interview: “Even before the foetus can draw breath it is in a
>     state of barrenness and of pain. I have a clear memory of my own
>     foetal existence. It was an existence where no voice, no possible
>     movement could free me from the agony and darkness I was subjected
>     to.”
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>     And in _/Murphy/_, Neary curses the day he was born “and then, in
>     a bold flashback, the night he was conceived.”
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>     *From:*owner-pynchon-l at waste.org
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>     <mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org>] *On Behalf Of *David Morris
>     *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 11:51 AM
>     *To:* Ian Livingston
>     *Cc:* Keith Davis; P-list
>     *Subject:* Re: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
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>     Yes. That is a clear way of explaining the root experience and its
>     later recognition/identification.
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>     On Monday, July 29, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:
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>     Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem
>     valid, is to remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the
>     emotional sensation that is later associated with fear, coupled
>     with the sensation of emotional resistance to that proto-fear that
>     is later identified as desire.
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>     On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>     wrote:
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>     Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even
>     if the "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing
>     the sensation of fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that
>     precedes a self.
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>     On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
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>     The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of
>     the fear and desire until we reach the point where we become aware
>     of a"self" as separate from other "selves", where we develop an
>     "individual consciousness".
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>     On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>     <mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The
>     Palace of the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.
>      Food, air, warmth, in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound
>     insulation.
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>     Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough
>     out liquid in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of
>     this birth is traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original
>     Fear."  At about this same moment we realize we want to keep
>     living.  TNH calls this "Original Desire."
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>     I think this was all pre Freud.
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>     David Morris
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