Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"

[David Morris]

Not I!
Beckett portrays his messages via absurdity, extreme sarcasm, quick twists
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On Tuesday, July 30, 2013, wrote:

> I'm not sure how to read this group anymore.  Does anyone think Becket was
> serious?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Monte Davis <montedavis at verizon.net>
> To: 'David Morris' <fqmorris at gmail.com>; 'Ian Livingston' <
> igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Keith Davis' <kbob42 at gmail.com>; 'P-list' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 30, 2013 6:05 am
> Subject: RE: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
>
>   Oh, it’s downhill well before that. Samuel Beckett in a 1970 interview:
> “Even before the foetus can draw breath it is in a state of barrenness and
> of pain. I have a clear memory of my own foetal existence. It was an
> existence where no voice, no possible movement could free me from the agony
> and darkness I was subjected to.”
>
> And in _*Murphy*_, Neary curses the day he was born “and then, in a bold
> flashback, the night he was conceived.”
>
>
> *From:* owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] *On
> Behalf Of *David Morris
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 11:51 AM
> *To:* Ian Livingston
> *Cc:* Keith Davis; P-list
> *Subject:* Re: Thich Nhat Hagn's "Fear"
>
> Yes. That is a clear way of explaining the root experience and its later
> recognition/identification.
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Ian Livingston wrote:
>  Maybe the way to reconcile your perspectives, which both seem valid, is
> to remove the labels. Birth is the first appearance the emotional sensation
> that is later associated with fear, coupled with the sensation of emotional
> resistance to that proto-fear that is later identified as desire.
>
>  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure.  But birth is a stark initial lesson in separateness, even if the
> "self" hasn't yet formed. And I think initial experiencing the sensation of
> fear and desire is TNH's focus, something that precedes a self.
>
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2013, Keith Davis wrote:
>  The only clarification might be that there is no consciousness of the
> fear and desire until we reach the point where we become aware of a"self"
> as separate from other "selves", where we develop an "individual
> consciousness".
>
>  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   It starts with a description of each of us pre-birth in the "The Palace
> of the Child." Everything we needed was done for us there.  Food, air,
> warmth, in a big water cushioned bed, with great sound insulation.
>
>  Then we get pushed out into the loud cold world, having to cough out
> liquid in order to take our own first breath.  Every aspect of this birth
> is traumatic, and TNH says it is called the "Original Fear."  At about this
> same moment we realize we want to keep living.  TNH calls this "Original
> Desire."
>
>   I think this was all pre Freud.
>
>  David Morris
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