[np] Zizek on Zero Dark Thirty and other things under the sun

[Ian Livingston]

Not even interested. Heroes overcome inner conflict to surmount intolerable
outside pressures to submit to an imposed orthodoxy and integrate at a
broader understanding of the world they inhabit. Revengers are not heroic
when theirs is the mission to impose that dogma, they're just Old Testament
warriors.


On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Markekohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I, personally, think Boal and Bigelow have been Jesuitically dishonest in
> their ( changing) words
> On the movie' s ( torture). The more the media went after them and they
> responded, the hugely better box office it did, despite Not getting the
> laudable Morris's bucks. I lost my integrity ( again) and went.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 1, 2013, at 9:39 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fwiw..
> >
> > Decades from now folks well be directed to this movie to get some sort
> > of background to 9/11 and subsequent events. as mark said it wants to
> > be seen as factual yet it's a very dangerous game by even suggesting
> > that torture led to bin laden's death because those facts aren't
> > clear.
> >
> > i found much of the movie a bore in any case.
> >
> > read steve coll's critque in the ny review of books. it's online
> >
> >
> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/feb/07/disturbing-misleading-zero-dark-thirty/?pagination=false
> >
> > Boal and Bigelow have offered two main responses to the criticism they
> > have received. One is that as dramatists compressing a complex history
> > into a cinematic narrative, they must be granted a degree of artistic
> > license.
> >
> > That is unarguable, of course, and yet the filmmakers cannot, on the
> > one hand, claim authenticity as journalists while, on the other,
> > citing art as an excuse for shoddy reporting about a subject as
> > important as whether torture had a vital part in the search for bin
> > Laden, and therefore might be, for some, defensible as public policy.
> > Boal and Bigelow—not their critics—first promoted the film as a kind
> > of journalism. Bigelow has called Zero Dark Thirty a “reported film.”
> > Boal told a New York Times interviewer before the controversy erupted,
> > “I don’t want to play fast and loose with history.”
> >
> > rich
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I have refused to watch that movie because of its pro torture portrayal
> >> (from media accounts).
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2013, Kai Frederik Lorentzen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> English talk on yesterday's TV-show Kulturzeit:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/index.php?display=1&mode=play&obj=35116
> >>>
> >>> Was already off-turned by the torture scenes from 24, so let me ask:
> >>> Is there a better reason to watch that movie?
> >>
>
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