9-11 box cutters 11 september utility knives

[Keith Davis]

Agreed.


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>wrote:

> "I am not convinced as a truther but am even less convinced by the
> official story."
>
> Ditto.
>
> MT
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > I will offer an alternate phrase that despite its seeming insignificance
> has troubled me. Box cutters. Before 11 september  I rarely heard  utility
> knives refereed to as box cutters and thought of that phrase as a kind of
> term used by people who don't regularly use hand tools and got a plastic
> knife to break down shipping boxes from Office Depot.. So I have wondered
> why have I never once heard them called what I and anyone I know who
> actually regularly uses these knives for utilitarian purposes calls them-
> which is utility knives. I have asked about 4-5 people what they think of
> when they hear the phrase box cutter and people describe either a standard
> utility knife or a small  plastic handled utility knife with break away
> blades, or a fold out steel knife. If you google the phrase those are the
> things you get. Hardware stores have always called them utility knives, but
> they are now sold on the internet as box cutters too.
> >
> > You don't kill passengers and flight attendants , then walk to the front
> of a plane  open the cockpit door and kill a pilot and copilot with a 1/2
> inch break-away blade.  A standard utility knife which is called by some a
> box-cutter is a powerful, sharp, strong and potentially deadly tool, (much
> more that  a swiss army knife which I always kept in my backpack  when
> traveling before 9-11), because it has a large grip and close to 2 inches
> of razor sharp steel blade.
> >
> > So as far as I can tell the use of the term box -cutter originated from
> calls of a stewardess but she and others also said knives. What bothers me
> is the standardization of the description of weapons which aren't really
> known in detail to the term box-cutters.  It feels indicative of mindless
> repetition rather than a journalistic curiosity and  an attempt to get a
> real, detailed and plausible picture of one of the most disturbing events
> in many decades.
> >
> > This is a tiny detail in a big picture that Is still very disputed and
> unclear. Does P really accept the mainstream account? Why does P throw in
> the rooftop story so weirdly reminiscent of Kennedy's assassination or the
> underground goings on at Montauk  if he does not give some credence to
> alternate explanations? Why does everyone in BE chump-out and quit their
> research if not sheer dread about very powerful and unscrupulous forces?
> What is the role of the murder in the story? Is it referring to something
> real?
> >
> > Because something real changed on 11 September 2001. We all know that.
>  But what actually happened?
> >
> > Why was Kissinger, the master of murderous coups and secret bombings,
> Bush's first choice for the inquiry.  Why did Building 7 collapse? Where
> was the Air Force? Is there really thermite recovered from the site? Where
> are the engines of the plane that hit the Pentagon?Here is a huge event
> which remains shrouded in real questions , but  which to look at
> skeptically is journalistic and media death. Yet many loved ones of victims
> are profoundly dissatisfied with the official inquiry. Why should we trust
> known liars and news organizations which reported incredibly spurious crap
> about WMD's to care deeply enough to truly answer the questions of the many
> sincere and personally involved, knowledgeable and credible skeptics
> including victims and first responders. Why not make the utmost effort to
> put to rest conspiracy theories that can only lead to bitterness and
> estrangement. And since when did America start thinking the thing to do
> after apprehending the  unarmed subject of a world-wide manhunt and center
> of a terrorist conspiracy,  is to shoot him and throw his  body into the
> Mediterranean?
> >
> >  Our lives go on.  We go to whatever we call work, live with friends and
> family, have our own worries and dreams. But now it is one war after
> another and we  are told it is criminal to question  the "right " of our
> government to monitor everyone's communication even though they have no
> interest in hearing what we say to them openly. The constitution evaporates
> as quickly under one party as the other and the reason is  always 9-11, the
> biggest emergency call in human history just keeps ringing away  our taxes
> and rights..   We want to go back to normal, back to the Jack Benny story,
> back to home made take-out and Ben and Jerrys.  Am I so alone  in being
> troubled by these nagging questions?  I too am a neighbor of those killed.
> >
> > I am not convinced as a truther but am even less convinced by the
> official story.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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