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[John Bailey]

I'm not in agreement with Joseph here but I do think the P-list is as
safe a place as any for him (and others) to share their doubts.

The main reason I write off truther concerns is the sheer number of
people who must be keeping mum about things they know. People just
aren't that good at keeping massive, world-changing secrets. Even if
coerced, threatened, hypnotised, drugged, etc. A JFK-type conspiracy
*could* be credible since only a few key players would have to know
about it, but as Laura points out, you want to bring in Hollywood
types, and other governments, and thousands and thousands of people on
the street?

I also work in mass media and can say first-hand without a doubt that
the media does not do what it is told. Editors will be biased and play
to particular parties or ideologies or interests or lobby groups and
I'm not arguing that you should ever trust what you read, but there is
no way a government could convince every editor to go with a
particular story. The noble dream that sends most people to J-school
is that of speaking "truth to power" and while the dream becomes
tarnished and dull I have met no shortage of people who cling to it
like mad dogs until their teeth are at all angles and they would go to
the wall rather than bow before a political demand to tell a certain
story.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Pontificating again.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 21, 2013, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>>
>> The Internet induces Sloth, not democracy of information and decision
>> making. Hey, let the big boys take care of everything. Fiscal Cliffs!
>> QE! The Debt! The Markets. So complicated. so arcane. Who can even
>> understand anything anymore let alone make a decision.  The experts.
>> The specialists. The thousands of expert and specialist cultures, not
>> two but thousands.
>>
>> Good thing people fuck with it, turn it on and off, mess with it's
>> delivery systems, create underground delivery systems, financial
>> systems...so on....this is what BE shows. And P does it, sets the
>> example, messing with it. Making fun of it. Laughing at what Gleick
>> calls the Flood.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Fiona Shnapple <fionashnapple at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> The internet was the communication tool that could have induced a
>> >> democratization of information and decision making but as BE shows, that
>> >> dream is dead.  Only the earth itself seems to have a revolutionary option
>> >> to overthrow the madness.
>> >
>> > Oh come on,  Joseph. You never really  believed that the Internet
>> > could save us from our madness. Did you?
>> >
>> > Did you or anyone else ever seriously believe that the Internet could
>> > induce democratization of information and decision making?
>> >
>> > Oh,  come on. I though you smarter than that.
>> >
>> >  Did you ever believe this? I hope not.
>> >
>> > BE doesn't show us that this was ever a possibility. It's the foolish
>> > dream of geeks who hoped, of course, to be the liberators and
>> > democratizers, as long as they got, well, to be cool, and like, a
>> > little rich.
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