9-11 box cutters 11 september utility knives

[David Morris]

Teeth at all angles.
I love that.

On Thursday, November 21, 2013, John Bailey wrote:

> I'm not in agreement with Joseph here but I do think the P-list is as
> safe a place as any for him (and others) to share their doubts.
>
> The main reason I write off truther concerns is the sheer number of
> people who must be keeping mum about things they know. People just
> aren't that good at keeping massive, world-changing secrets. Even if
> coerced, threatened, hypnotised, drugged, etc. A JFK-type conspiracy
> *could* be credible since only a few key players would have to know
> about it, but as Laura points out, you want to bring in Hollywood
> types, and other governments, and thousands and thousands of people on
> the street?
>
> I also work in mass media and can say first-hand without a doubt that
> the media does not do what it is told. Editors will be biased and play
> to particular parties or ideologies or interests or lobby groups and
> I'm not arguing that you should ever trust what you read, but there is
> no way a government could convince every editor to go with a
> particular story. The noble dream that sends most people to J-school
> is that of speaking "truth to power" and while the dream becomes
> tarnished and dull I have met no shortage of people who cling to it
> like mad dogs until their teeth are at all angles and they would go to
> the wall rather than bow before a political demand to tell a certain
> story.
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > Pontificating again.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, November 21, 2013, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
> >>
> >> The Internet induces Sloth, not democracy of information and decision
> >> making. Hey, let the big boys take care of everything. Fiscal Cliffs!
> >> QE! The Debt! The Markets. So complicated. so arcane. Who can even
> >> understand anything anymore let alone make a decision.  The experts.
> >> The specialists. The thousands of expert and specialist cultures, not
> >> two but thousands.
> >>
> >> Good thing people fuck with it, turn it on and off, mess with it's
> >> delivery systems, create underground delivery systems, financial
> >> systems...so on....this is what BE shows. And P does it, sets the
> >> example, messing with it. Making fun of it. Laughing at what Gleick
> >> calls the Flood.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Fiona Shnapple <
> fionashnapple at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> The internet was the communication tool that could have induced a
> >> >> democratization of information and decision making but as BE shows,
> that
> >> >> dream is dead.  Only the earth itself seems to have a revolutionary
> option
> >> >> to overthrow the madness.
> >> >
> >> > Oh come on,  Joseph. You never really  believed that the Internet
> >> > could save us from our madness. Did you?
> >> >
> >> > Did you or anyone else ever seriously believe that the Internet could
> >> > induce democratization of information and decision making?
> >> >
> >> > Oh,  come on. I though you smarter than that.
> >> >
> >> >  Did you ever believe this? I hope not.
> >> >
> >> > BE doesn't show us that this was ever a possibility. It's the foolish
> >> > dream of geeks who hoped, of course, to be the liberators and
> >> > democratizers, as long as they got, well, to be cool, and like, a
> >> > little rich.
> >> -
> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
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