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[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

I'm not convinced.

Especially enigmatic I find your reference to Horst's ethno-cultural 
background ("he's a Lutheran, not a Jew or a Saudi"). What does this 
have to do with his trustworthyness re the debated issue?


On 25.11.2013 21:56, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
> Great. A page and passage for a change.
>
> Turn back to we are re introduced to Horst. On page 21. How does Horst
> do his job so well. He makes a ton of money trading commodities.
> Risky, rough and tumble business. He trades in the  Chicago Pits. We
> learn he is a clam, silent type, emotionless dude from the Midwest,
> but he fights like the devil in the pits and makes deals, and he is
> not afraid to slam the rules into the boards to get a hat trick. And
> he does score hat tricks.  In fact, he has some kind of magic, so he
> knows how commodities around the world will behave (21). In other
> words, he trades futures and he can see into it as far as the price of
> commodities goes. Not a bad gift if you can get it and keep it. And
> he's kept it, for he enjoys and error free history.
>
> Unless his gift or luck, or combination of both is so rare nobody else
> can make bets and make a pile? But that's not true. Hell, the Dow
> Jones Transportation Index hit a triple top. And every fool know how
> high oil prices were and how the airlines have an inverse relationship
> to the price of Bent and WTI.
>
> And, anytime a hug longshot is out there, somebody is gonna put some
> money on it. No, Horst can't explain why he wasn't in his office that
> day when the towers were struck. And he's a Lutheran not a Jew or a
> Saudi.
>
> Pynchon debunks these conspiracy theories; these divisive theories
> that say the Jews got out, the Arabs got out....the Bush people got
> out. He debunks them and piles them in the landfill with the Bush
> attack on Iraq.
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> <lorentzen at hotmail.de>  wrote:
>> Pynchon might "debunk" March to a certain degree.
>>
>> But Horst? I don't see that.
>>
>> "This is the Chicago Exchange, toward the end of last week, see? there was a
>> sudden abnormal surge of put options on United Airlines. Thousands of puts,
>> not a heck of a lot of calls. Now, today, the same thing happens for
>> American Airlines." (p. 315)
>>
>> "HORST MEANTIME IS PUZZLED ABOUT something else. 'Remember the week before
>> this happened, all those put options on United and American Airlines? Which
>> turned out to be exactly the two airlines that got hijacked? Well, it seems
>> on that Thursday and Friday there were also lopsided put-to-call ratios for
>> Morgan Stanley. Merrill Lynch. couple others like them, all tenants of the
>> Trade Center. As a fraud investigator, what does that suggest to you?'" (pp.
>> 323-324)
>>
>> Horst emphasizes that he's trying "to keep hold of my common sense" (p.
>> 324); in general he's portrayed as non-hysterical and intelligent.
>>
>> So what's your point?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25.11.2013 11:21, Fiona Shnapple wrote:
>>> JT sez,
>>>> So even though Pynchon, in BE does suggest some sinister possibilities
>>>> along the lines of insider foreknowledge,  almost no one on the p->list
>>>> wants to even think about, hear about, or talk about it in anything but a
>>>> very reactionary  and fundamentally ad hominem way.
>>> He doesn't suggests them; his characters do; he debunks them.  Why?
>>> That is the question. The answer is not too easy to get at. You, and
>>> the others who attack you, ignore the book, for the most part. It's
>>> not easy to argue that P suggests something sinister, not with this
>>> book. Give me pages and I'll argue against such a reading.
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